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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Doing a little reasearch myself, these identifications are extremely dubious. Again, far from the “overwhelming evidence” you claimed. What next? Are you going to say that since Paul said Mt Sinai was in Arabia he meant Saudi Arabia? That’s one of the standard lines from the Wyatt camp. It’s also pretty stupid for reasons that should be obvious.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: To the best of my knowledge, split rocks aren’t that rare. And if I remember correctly there wasn’t much evidence of water.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You say that, but you need evidence - which you don’t have,
quote: As I am sure you know perfectly well Exodus makes absolutely no mention of petroglyphs. And if you’ve done decades of research, you’ll know that only a few of those many petroglyphs have anything to do with cattle. Insisting that these few identify the site while ignoring the vast majority is hardly rational. So no, there is no clear connection between these petroglyphs and the Exodus story. I think we’ve got to the point where we can say that your claim of “overwhelming evidence” is certainly false.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: It will? Why? It’s not as if I’ve been there.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You claimed to have “overwhelming evidence”. That wasn’t true.You claimed to have a site that exactly matched the Biblical description of the crossing site. That wasn’t true. You claimed that the dark top of the mountain you call Mt Sinai was evidence. That wasn’t true. quote: And that is a blatant falsehood. By what standard can you possibly claim that this is true? Edited by PaulK, : Fixed tag
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Oyun Musa, previously referred to means “The Wells of Moses”. But apparently you don’t consider that evidence of anything. Perhaps you can give a reliable source for your “translation” because there seems to be substantial disagreement on the matter.(And I really would like to know how an “ancient” map could be “Saudi”, when Saudi Arabia only took that name in the 1930s)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: No, because I don’t believe that the Bitter Lakes were only six inches deep. I think you made that up. Of course, I don’t believe that the Pharoah’s army drowned at all.
quote: Aside from the six inches being your invention, aside from the fact that there is plenty of time for the remains to be lost, apart from the fact that you have yet to provide any significant evidence that the supposed remains at Nuweiba have anything to do with the Exodus and aside from the fact that events that never happened wouldn’t leave evidence?
quote: No it doesn’t. 33:7-8 is the only part that deals with the approach to the crossing site (which certainly is not Nuweiba)
7 They set out from Etham and turned back to Pi-hahiroth, which faces Baal-zephon, and they camped before Migdol. 8 They set out from Pi-hahiroth, passed through the sea into the wilderness, went a three days’ journey in the wilderness of Etham, and camped at Marah.
Nothing about a wadi, or having to “turn this way and that”. Indeed according to Exodus they were camped at Etham when the instruction to go to Migdol arrived (13:20 and 14:1-2). Funny how these “exact” matches turn out to be no match at all.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
You’ve already had answers to most of them. In the post you reply to, so you can’t honestly pretend that you haven’t.
And I’ll leave you to show that the Bitter Lakes were a “small body 0f water” that could be easily walked around - while under sustained attack.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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You’ve provided rather less evidence than you claim.
quote: We don’t know that the coral structures contain chariot wheels, and the reported presence of iron is against it. The “gold chariot wheel” - which does not look much like a genuine Egyptian chariot wheel, is probably a small brass hand wheel planted at the site by Ron Wyatt. And the claim that the site is “where Moses parted the Red Sea” is almost certainly false. Indeed, since the supposed chariot remains are the main evidence for that claim it’s circular. And “the exact ones in use at the time of Moses” is only true if you’re prepared to accept the absurd rewrite of Egyptian history offered by the Wyatt camp. Since I am not prepared to believe that Moses was two different people (or any of the other nonsense invented by Wyatt and his supporters) that’s really a non-starter.
quote: It’s the natural colour of the rock. So not evidence for your claims at all.
quote: Not true. The first “altar” isn’t an altar, it’s just some walls presumed to be associated with an altar.
quote: It’s insignificant as evidence, the more so since there are a lot of petroglyphs - at that site and others - and only a very few of cattle.
quote: I guess if you’re desperate then you have to clutch at straws, but the size of the cemetery is hardly significant evidence - it’s not worth mentioning. The cave and the size of the valley are likewise too insignificant.
quote: Where does Psalm 77 say that it is about Nuweiba? And doesn’t the fact that there is no “natural crossing path” rather rule out any knowledge? Just admit that Ron Wyatt screwed up with the satellite data. Really if this is the best you have, you have nothing. You should have taken the time to research the issues. To look at all sides. Instead of gullibly falling for this nonsense.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Given the complete unsuitability of the crossing you are going to need much better evidence than you have offered so far. And which Moses was it? Tuthosis or Senmut?
quote: Why do you think it doesn’t mean Migdol?
Wikipedia
Migdol is east of the Dwelling of the Lion,[5] which has been located at Tell el-Borg,[6] near the north coast of the Sinai Peninsula and the estuary of the Ballah Lakes.
quote: It isn’t on the border as such, is it? It’s a way down the coast on the Gulf of Aqaba. So without more evidence than a vague geographical reference that probably refers to somewhere else that isn’t even called Migdol it’s not exactly looking good for you.
quote: Shame that the text makes absolutely no reference to any such feature in the area. And a speculative translation - which is what you have - is hardly enough evidence.
quote: Don’t forget that there were Canaanites living in Egypt. The suggestion that it refers to Arsinoe seems more plausible to me. So again, all very, very weak, and not nearly enough to deal with the fact that the crossing would be very difficult. Ron Wyatt thought it was only 300’ deep the whole way across - that’s the “land bridge”. Turned out he just didn’t understand the data.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Wrong. I don’t really care about either of those so I haven’t investigated them. My point is that the claims for Nuweiba are bunk created by an ignorant fraud. Which I have been arguing fro. And I know that quite well because it’s been discussed here.
quote: Which is clearly your ignorance at work. Or perhaps your anger at the fact that your “evidence” has turned out to be crap because you were too lazy to do any real research or examine any side but the fraudulent Ron Wyatt’s.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: What a stupid lie.
quote: And another one.
quote: You know I admit that I haven’t done much - just more than you. And quite sufficient to address your nonsense.
quote: The actual events - if there were any - are long lost to us. The story is a long way from reality. I haven’t run from that at all. If you want an example of somebody actually running, your retreat from the carbon dating discussion will do nicely. Lying didn’t work there, either, did it?
quote: In other words you are angry that I dare to reason rather than mindlesssly worshipping falsehood like you.
quote: Well, you think wrongly, I very much doubt that there was an actual event,
quote: No, you don’t. You’re just lying because your claims have been exposed as false. You never had “overwhelming evidence” or even evidence worth speaking of, You’ve never done any real research on the matter. You’ve never looked at the opposition. You don’t even dare mention Ron Wyatt’s name although he is the originator of these ideas.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: candle2 obviously wants to rubbish the alternative sites, although he hasn’t exactly managed to provide valid criticisms. But that won’t make Nuweiba any better. Since Nuweiba isn’t really viable as a crossing site, such a tactic can only reinforce the third option - they didn’t cross at all - as the correct conclusion. His idea of “cognitive reasoning” apparently misses that fact.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: The Welsh are a Celtic people. So, no.
quote: Is it really funny then? Because it sounds like a joke.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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What are you talking about? I think you fail to understand orthodox Christian Doctrine.
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