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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, you don't have the guts to put forth your case for
the crossing to be at the Sea of Reeds, or for Mount Sinai to be in Egypt. I have never debated such a timid and insecure person inmy entire life. I don't believe that you know what you think. Whatever it is,you lack the ability to defend it. In fact, you lack the ability to even state it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Wrong. I don’t really care about either of those so I haven’t investigated them. My point is that the claims for Nuweiba are bunk created by an ignorant fraud. Which I have been arguing fro. And I know that quite well because it’s been discussed here.
quote: Which is clearly your ignorance at work. Or perhaps your anger at the fact that your “evidence” has turned out to be crap because you were too lazy to do any real research or examine any side but the fraudulent Ron Wyatt’s.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, I have never debated such a timid person. One who
is so completely unsure of what he believes. The truth of the matter is that you have no idea abouthow to interpret what the Bible says about the Red Sea crossing or Mt. Sinai. You have not disproved anything I've said. No even close. On top of that, you run when confronted about your ownInterpretation of the events. I am not angry. I am merely disappointed in your lackof cognitive reasoning. I think you have it in your mind where the eventshappened. You have a strong opinion. I also believe that you lack the confidence in yourselfTo defend your position. You are timid in this respect.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
You have not disproved anything I've said. No even close. We don't have to. The burden of proof is on you. You have no actual evidence. You still haven't provided any evidence of your NASA surveillance fiction. Message 840 You know you can't provide any. It is a lie. You lied to us on this NASA stuff. And your biblical interpretations really suck. Why should anyone give you any credence on this exodus fiction at all?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Provide evidence of the coral encrusted chariot wheels and the golden wheel.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Explain how a gold chariot wheel would function?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Were Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea? | Snopes.com
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8
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And your point is? Oh, yeah, that candle2's sources are lying out of their asses. But he's a creationist quoting creationists. Oh yeah, they're all lying out of their asses. It's what creationists do all the time, after all.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: What a stupid lie.
quote: And another one.
quote: You know I admit that I haven’t done much - just more than you. And quite sufficient to address your nonsense.
quote: The actual events - if there were any - are long lost to us. The story is a long way from reality. I haven’t run from that at all. If you want an example of somebody actually running, your retreat from the carbon dating discussion will do nicely. Lying didn’t work there, either, did it?
quote: In other words you are angry that I dare to reason rather than mindlesssly worshipping falsehood like you.
quote: Well, you think wrongly, I very much doubt that there was an actual event,
quote: No, you don’t. You’re just lying because your claims have been exposed as false. You never had “overwhelming evidence” or even evidence worth speaking of, You’ve never done any real research on the matter. You’ve never looked at the opposition. You don’t even dare mention Ron Wyatt’s name although he is the originator of these ideas.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
The possibilities are: Paulk, you don't have the guts to put forth your case forthe crossing to be at the Sea of Reeds, or for Mount Sinai to be in Egypt. 1. They crossed at Nuweiba. 2. They crossed somewhere else. 3. They never crossed at all. If they never crossed at all - i.e. if the whole story is fiction, then your "evidence" is irrelevant. Fiction writers often describe places they have never been and those descriptions may coincidentally resemble actual places. That doesn't make the stories true. Ron Wyatt reminds me of Constantine's mother, who went arount the Holy Land saying, "This must be part of the True Cross," and, "This must be where Jesus' tomb was." It's all just the fancies of a wild imagination. Ron Wyatt's "evidence" has never been examined scientifically. Much of it has been supposedly "lost" and con not be confirmed. Yet the conclusions he made linger. Only a True Believer would give any weight to his musings. Edited by ringo, : Spelking. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: candle2 obviously wants to rubbish the alternative sites, although he hasn’t exactly managed to provide valid criticisms. But that won’t make Nuweiba any better. Since Nuweiba isn’t really viable as a crossing site, such a tactic can only reinforce the third option - they didn’t cross at all - as the correct conclusion. His idea of “cognitive reasoning” apparently misses that fact.
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Taq Member Posts: 9972 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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ringo writes: Ron Wyatt reminds me of Constantine's mother, who went arount the Holky Land saying, "This must be part of the True Cross," and, "This must be where Jesus' tomb was." It's all just the fancies of a wild imagination Or just outright scams.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, if someone does not believe that the Exodus
happened then they should just say so. I was not debating whether the Exodus happened. I wasdebating where it happened. If someone does not believe the authority of the Biblethen there is nothing I can say to make them believe. However, there is evidence that it did happen. And theevidence is not at the Sea of Reeds. And it is not at St. Catherine's Monastery. Ron Wyatt is not the reason that I came to believe thatthat the crossing was at Nuweiba Beach. NASA's report of the "thin red line" in the early 90's iswhat convinced me. This was the first time that I took a serious look at the route of the Exodus. NASA, under pressure to be politically correct, deleteda portion of the story. They also deleted the images of the "thin red line." Do I think that there are coral encrusted object that fitthe outline of chariot wheels at Nueweiba Beach? Yes, several individuals have published photos of them. Do I believe that much of the evidence at Jebel al Lawzexists? Yes. A number of individual have seen andphotographed the evidence. Even without the physical evidence the Bible tells usenough to locate the crossing site.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
Ron Wyatt is not the reason that I came to believe that
Is was a known liar and scam artist. There is evidence to support this. He never provided any evidence. No one has seen any chariot wheels there. There are huge scientific issues with the concept of coral encrusted chariot wheels and a golden wheel. Still waiting for an explanation of the functionality of a golden chariot wheel.
that the crossing was at Nuweiba Beach. NASA's report of the "thin red line" in the early 90's is
this does not exist. It is not true. It is a lie.
what convinced me. This was the first time that I took a serious look at the route of the Exodus. Yes, several individuals have published photos of them.
Why then have they not been retrieved and examines. More lies.
Do I believe that much of the evidence at Jebel al Lawz
Random photos are not evidence. Evidence needs to be subjected to scientific rigor. If they were true they would have been verified.exists? Yes. A number of individual have seen and photographed the evidence. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
candle2 writes: My only question is what on earth does "politics" have to do with any scientific evidence?
NASA, under pressure to be politically correct, deleteda portion of the story. They also deleted the images of the "thin red line."
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