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Message 772 of 1864 (900891)
11-01-2022 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 771 by ringo
11-01-2022 1:03 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, you say that God created everything. I am going to
force you to defend that position in a series of questions .
Who is Melchisedec in Hebrews 7. He is without father,
without mother, without descent, having neither
beginning of days, nor end of life;
Abraham gave Him a tenth of all he owned.

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Message 773 of 1864 (900911)
11-02-2022 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 771 by ringo
11-01-2022 1:03 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, Exodus 24: 9-10
"Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu,
and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the
God of Israel:..."
Who did they see?

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Message 774 of 1864 (900913)
11-02-2022 10:31 AM
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11-01-2022 1:03 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, who was speaking to whom in Genesis 3:23?
"And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as
one of us..."

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Message 777 of 1864 (900919)
11-02-2022 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 776 by Phat
11-02-2022 10:54 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Phat, Melchisedec is the same individual as Jesus
Christ.
This is just one more example of Jesus' prior existence
before allowing Himself to be born as a human.
People run from passages that they have no answer for.

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Message 778 of 1864 (900920)
11-02-2022 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 771 by ringo
11-01-2022 1:03 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, if Jesus never existed before His human birth,
why did He say this in John 17:5
"And now, 0 Father, glorify thou me with thine own self
with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

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Message 787 of 1864 (900950)
11-02-2022 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 779 by Taq
11-02-2022 1:27 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Taq, I am 69 years old, and I know with crystal clarity
when gas prices started up.
In Murray, KY, I was paying $1.60 per gallon when Trump
left office.
When Russia invaded Ukraine gas was already over $4.00
per gallon.
The cost of food and others necessities increased at or
near the same rate.
When Trump left office America was producing enough
oil to supply all our needs, as well as exporting to our
allies.
The very first day Biden was in office he stopped the
pipeline from transporting oil, even though trucking it
would be two to three times more costly.
His administration began to place numerous and
costly restrictions on American companies who
had leases to drill on federal land.
He made it too costly for them to and make a profit,
which is what the Democrats wanted.
At the same time Biden encouraged the building of a
gas pipeline from Russia to Western Europe, which
forced them to rely on Russia for their energy.
We could have provided them with this energy.
Europe is in one heck of an energy crisis. They are
reverting back to coal for much of their energy. Coal
is not as environmentally clean as petroleum.
You are being dishonest in that you lived through the
past two years yourself. You know when gas prices
began to rise. It was the day Biden took office.
We are deleting our supply of diesel fuel. And while
we are running low, Biden is still exporting over one
million barrels of diesel daily.
Where were you at when the Democrats were having
their presidental Debates? Were you even paying
attention?
Every one of the stated on numerous occasions that
they would phase out fossil fuel.
Everyone of the also stated, and strongly, their support
for socialism.
Either the Democratic leaders are the most incompetent
leaders in the world, or they are breaking America down
In order to gain complete control.
The pandemic was vastly overated. The Flu is more
deadly.
It was simply a tool used by the left.

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Message 788 of 1864 (900953)
11-02-2022 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 780 by Taq
11-02-2022 1:33 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
The Dixiecrats were Democrats. Besides Strom
Thurmond one other Dixiecrat might have done so.
However, Strom did not switch until the mid 60s. By
that time he did not have the same rhetoric
Does Robert Byrd Ring a bell. Also look into Biden's
pass.
Understand one thing, the majority of Dixiecrats did
not leave the Democratic Party.
More Republicans voted for the CRA than did Democrats.
The main objections came from the Dixiecrat Democrats.
The Democrats were responsible for taking land from
Native Americans.
They were responsible for giving Smallpox infected
blankets to then.
They were the party of slavery; Jim Crow; poll taxes;
lynchings; and, segregation.
They are the party of the internment ID Japanese
Americans during WW2.
They are also the proud parents of the KKK, and
re-emergence of the KKK.
The KKK was the terrorist wing of the Democratic
Party.
Many of America's worse cities for blacks are controlled
by Democrats, and have been for decades.
These cities have been controlled by Democratic mayor's,
and councilmen. They are the ones responsible for the
lives of those they serve.
But, they have failed them miserably. This is Even after
receiving trillions in assistance.
The lives of these blacks are a result of the Democrats
over them. Nothing more.

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Message 793 of 1864 (901018)
11-03-2022 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by ringo
11-02-2022 3:15 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, you said that it would be a tall order to force you.
Maybe, maybe not, but it won't take much to make you
look foolish.
You replied that Hebrews 7: 3 was merely a figure of
speech.
If Melchisedec had always existed, if He were without
parents, and, if he would live forever, there is no clearer
or more precise way to say this than:
3. "Without father, without mother, without descent,
having neither beginning of days, nor end of life..."
This is plain enough for a second grader to understand
quite easily.

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Message 794 of 1864 (901019)
11-03-2022 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 785 by ringo
11-02-2022 3:36 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, you admit that the 70 elders in Exodus 24 saw God.
Moses saw God face to face.
Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake with Moses face to
face, as a man speaker unto his friend."
Moses stayed with God for 40 days.
In order for Moses and all others who saw God in the OT
God had to take on a physical body.
How do we know this?
In Exodus 33 Moses asked to see God in all His glory
verses 18.
Verse 20 "And He said (God) "Thou canst not see my
face: for there shall no man see me and live."
But God put Moses in the cleft of a rock and covered
Moses' eyes until He (God) had passed by him.
Verse 23 "And I will take away mine hand, and thou
shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
More than 100 people saw God in the OT.
But, the God they saw was Jesus.
John 1:18 "No man has seen God at anytime ; the only
begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He
has declared (made known) him."
Speaking of His Father Jesus stated:
John 5:37 "And the Father Himself, which has sent me,
has borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His
voice at any time, nor seen His shape."
John 6:46 Jesus said "Not that any man has seen the
Father, save He which is of God, He has seen the Father.
John 17:25-26 "O righteous Father, the world has not
known thee: but I have known thee, and these have
known that thou has sent me. And I have declared unto
them thy name..."
Since it is clear that no one in history has ever seen God
the Father, but a number of people have seen God, then
The God that they saw was Jesus.

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Message 795 of 1864 (901028)
11-03-2022 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 781 by ringo
11-02-2022 3:15 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
In Revelations 19:13 John says that Jesus is the Word of
God.
"And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and
His name is called '"The WORD OF God.'"
In Revelations 22:13 Jesus said "I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end, the first a day the last."

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Message 797 of 1864 (901044)
11-04-2022 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 781 by ringo
11-02-2022 3:15 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, in Exodus 3, God appeared to Moses as a flame
of fire in the midst of a bush, Moses asked God what he
should tell the Israelites when they ask who sent him.
Verse 14. God's reply to Moses was "I AM THAT I AM:"
Tell them that I AM has sent me to you.
John 8: 56-59 Jesus told the Pharisees:
56. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and
he saw it, and was glad."
57. "Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou art not yet
fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?"
58. "Jesus said unto them, truly, truly, I say unto you,
before Abraham was, I AM."
59."Then they took up stone to cast at Him..."
They thought it blasphemy because they understood
perfectly well what Jesus' statements meant.
How could they not understand his meaning? It is
easily understood.
In John 18 Judas, the chief priest, and officers came
upon Jesus, and He said unto them, "Whom seek ye?"
They answered "Jesus of Nazareth."
Jesus replied " I AM."
Notice that the word "he" in "I AM he" is in italics,
meaning that it was added by the translators in order
to make it grammatically correct. "He is not in the
older manuscripts.
"As soon then as He had said unto them, I AM, they
went backward, and fell to the ground."
Jesus referred to Himself as "I AM:" in many of his
sayings.
"The bread of life."
"Light of the world."
"The door."
"Good shepherd."
"Resurrection and the life."
"Way, truth, and the life."
"The vine."
ETC...
In the OT God referred to Himself in the same ways.
In John 8:24 Jesus told the Jews:
"If you believe not that I AM (he is in italics) you shall
die in your sins."
Jesus told His disciples in John 13 "Now I tell you
before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may
believe that I AM (he).
Jesus was the I AM that appeared to Moses.
Jesus was the God of the OT. No one has ever seen
the Fathet.

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Message 798 of 1864 (901048)
11-04-2022 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 791 by Phat
11-03-2022 7:42 AM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Phat, I am very honest in what I'm saying.
The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior.
And, the past behavior of Democrats is really, really nasty.

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Message 821 of 1864 (901143)
11-05-2022 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 786 by ringo
11-02-2022 3:43 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, was this a hallucination by Paul, or did he lie?
1Corinthians 10:1-4
"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be
ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud,
and all passed through the sea.
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in
the sea.
And did all eat the same spiritual meat.
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank
of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock
was Christ."
The God that led the Israelites out of Egypt was Christ.
Jesus was the member of the God kind (family) that was
In the cloud.
Jesus was the member of the God kind that wrote the
the 10 Commandments on stone-in order to show their
permanence.
The Apostle Thomas understood this perfectly, which is
why he called Jesus "My Lord and my God." John 20:28.

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Message 824 of 1864 (901215)
11-06-2022 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 802 by ringo
11-04-2022 12:07 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, read Luke 24:25-27
"Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to
believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to
enter into His glory?
And beginning at Moses and all he prophets, he
expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things
concerning Himself."
In other words, Jesus stated plainly that He pointed
out to all the OT prophets all the OT scriptures that
pertained to Him.
In order for Him to have been able to do that He would
have, by necessity, had pre-existence before His human
birth by Mary.
What was Luke's issue?
Was he lying?
Was he deceived?
Was he doing mushrooms, which caused him to hallucinate?
The only way you can maintain that Christ was not the
Creator of all that exists is to deny, deny, deny.
And, that is not a good premise in which to reach a
reasonable conclusion.

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Message 831 of 1864 (901574)
11-11-2022 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 828 by Tangle
11-07-2022 12:12 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Tangle, the Israelites crossed the Red Sea at the Gulf of
Aquaba.
The exact sight is at Nuweiba Beach.
The location of Mt. Sinai is in Saudi Arabia.
The evidence is overwhelming and fits perfectly with
the account in Exodus.
I would advise everyone to watch the videos and read
the articles about Nuweiba Beach and the Red Sea
Crossing.
I have been looking into this for several decades.

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