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Topic: Choosing a faith
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 256 of 3694 (897389)
09-04-2022 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 220 by GDR
09-03-2022 1:27 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
GDR writes: It doesn't explain why it happens nor does it negate other inputs.
You keep talking about "negating other inputs". I have a fairly vague idea of how my fridge works. I don't "negate" leprechauns as other inputs. I just don't NEED any other inputs. (Occam's razor.)
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 258 of 3694 (897391)
09-04-2022 11:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 228 by Phat
09-03-2022 3:54 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes: Critical thinkers/willing atheists want to be freed from the whole God meme or belief concept.
Nonsense. If critical thinking concluded that there is a God, I would be perfectly happy with that conclusion. The point of critical thinking is to AVOID concluding what we want to conclude.
Phat writes: Theists, in contrast, want to have a higher power...
I want to eat ice cream three times a day but critical thinking tells me not to.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 263 by AZPaul3, posted 09-04-2022 4:25 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 264 of 3694 (897405)
09-04-2022 5:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 263 by AZPaul3
09-04-2022 4:25 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
AZPaul3 writes: ringo writes: I want to eat ice cream three times a day but critical thinking tells me not to.
​My critical thinking lets me do this. But I have to use much smaller dishes.
I make a lasagna that's only one calorie per serving. (A 9 x 12 pan is 10,000 servings.)
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 272 of 3694 (897419)
09-05-2022 11:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 81 by Phat
08-29-2022 2:49 PM
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Re: Welcome Back GDR
Phat writes: I told my Counselor about EvC and about how nobody has changed their basic stance ever since I got here. He recommended that I cut it loose.
Typical cult behaviour - avoid any ideas that threaten your hide-bound beliefs.
Phat writes: He said that everyone here has already made up their minds about what they choose to believe and that nobody will ever change.
Well, YOU told HIM that. But the difference between you and us is that we welcome your crazy ideas.
Phat writes: He wants me to make better use of my time.
By digging your trenches deeper?
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 325 of 3694 (897476)
09-06-2022 11:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 289 by Phat
09-05-2022 3:03 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes: I would be more worried about indoctrination if I had a strong atheist for a counselor.
Because that's what your Christian counsellors are telling you to be worried about.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 328 of 3694 (897481)
09-06-2022 12:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 313 by GDR
09-05-2022 6:50 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
GDR writes: I guess that we need a clearer definition of murder.
The definition of murder is pretty clear: unlawful homicide. The definition of homicide is also pretty clear: killing a human being. The wishy-washy areas are "human" (when does a fetus become human?) and "unlawful". We make the laws, so we can make it legal for a soldier to kill the enemy (though there are also such things as war crimes). We can make it legal for the government to kill people for murder or for being Jewish. (Are Jews human?)
GDR writes: It isn't about certainty but about an unprovable truth that we can have faith in.
There's a saying about erring on the side of caution. As Jesus pointed out, nobody is qualified to cast the first stone. And to paraphrase an opponent of capital punishment, There may well be some criminals who deserve to die but we are not qualified to decide which ones. When in doubt, don't kill. We can't always be certain that we did the right thing but we can often be certain that we didn't do the wrong thing.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 351 of 3694 (897521)
09-07-2022 11:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 333 by Phat
09-06-2022 1:58 PM
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Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes: You really need to examine your contention that Christians can't be professionals.
No professional can let religion get in the way of his/her professionalism.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 352 of 3694 (897522)
09-07-2022 12:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 342 by GDR
09-06-2022 9:12 PM
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Re: How many philosophers does it take to ...
GDR writes: however I don't have the faith to believe that this can from a strictly materialistic world.
Yeah, that's what creationists always say - they don't have enough faith to accept reality. But they do have enough faith to believe that fantasies trump reality.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 388 of 3694 (897588)
09-08-2022 1:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 382 by Theodoric
09-08-2022 10:29 AM
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Re: Start with defining god
Theodoric writes: Maybe you should start with a definition of god.
God is the spackle in the gaps.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 413 of 3694 (897641)
09-09-2022 11:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 396 by GDR
09-08-2022 3:50 PM
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GDR writes: I believe that as a Christian I am called to love all animal life...
I especially love bacon, on the hoof as well as in the pan.
GDR writes: ... and should therefore be a vegetarian.
But vegetarians don't love lions. They think they "know better".
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 414 of 3694 (897642)
09-09-2022 12:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 405 by Phat
09-08-2022 8:03 PM
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Re: God Save The Monarch
Phat writes: I noticed that the ceremony for the transfer of power to Charles III is an Anglican church service.
You should also notice that God approved of King George V as well as Kaiser Wilhelm II as well as Tsar Nicholas II and He supported all three of them in World War I (the War of the Cousins).
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 417 by Phat, posted 09-09-2022 1:26 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 415 of 3694 (897643)
09-09-2022 12:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 408 by Phat
09-09-2022 7:40 AM
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Re: Come To The Dark Side.
Phat writes: One thing, however, stands out about the late Hitch and many of you. You get hyper emotional in describing the God character and organized religion as a destructive monster.
We also get emotional about Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, mass murderers, Trump, Hitler.... It's a long list. Why shouldn't we get emotional about evil?
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 453 of 3694 (897747)
09-10-2022 9:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 417 by Phat
09-09-2022 1:26 PM
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Re: God Save The Monarch
Phat writes: God approved of none of them.
And how would you know that? But the important thong is that they all CLAIMED that God approved of them - just like you do.
Phat writes: God is folding His arms waiting for us to come to the end of ourselves.
You're saying He's a monster.
Phat writes: I believe that He knows what He is doing and is no monster.
Your beliefs are irrational.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 454 of 3694 (897748)
09-10-2022 9:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 425 by GDR
09-09-2022 5:15 PM
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GDR writes: As john Polkinghorne says you can't have both a god that commands genocide and public stoning with the God portrayed by Jesus that says we are to love our enemy and turn the other cheek.
But that's exactly what we do have. And as I have tried to show Phat, Jesus was all for eternal punishment too.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 474 of 3694 (897827)
09-12-2022 10:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 467 by GDR
09-12-2022 4:42 PM
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GDR writes: I'd also suggest that those who choose a life which is only focused on their personal desires without concern for others are living a kinda hell on earth.
Who said anything like that? I just want the gods to leave me alone with my concern for others and keep their hell to themselves.
"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys
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