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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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GDR writes:
You keep talking about "negating other inputs". I have a fairly vague idea of how my fridge works. I don't "negate" leprechauns as other inputs. I just don't NEED any other inputs. (Occam's razor.) It doesn't explain why it happens nor does it negate other inputs."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nonsense. If critical thinking concluded that there is a God, I would be perfectly happy with that conclusion. The point of critical thinking is to AVOID concluding what we want to conclude.
Critical thinkers/willing atheists want to be freed from the whole God meme or belief concept. Phat writes:
I want to eat ice cream three times a day but critical thinking tells me not to. Theists, in contrast, want to have a higher power..."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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AZPaul3 writes:
I make a lasagna that's only one calorie per serving. (A 9 x 12 pan is 10,000 servings.) ringo writes:
​My critical thinking lets me do this. But I have to use much smaller dishes. I want to eat ice cream three times a day but critical thinking tells me not to."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Typical cult behaviour - avoid any ideas that threaten your hide-bound beliefs.
I told my Counselor about EvC and about how nobody has changed their basic stance ever since I got here. He recommended that I cut it loose. Phat writes:
Well, YOU told HIM that. He said that everyone here has already made up their minds about what they choose to believe and that nobody will ever change. But the difference between you and us is that we welcome your crazy ideas.
Phat writes:
By digging your trenches deeper? He wants me to make better use of my time."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Because that's what your Christian counsellors are telling you to be worried about. I would be more worried about indoctrination if I had a strong atheist for a counselor."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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GDR writes:
The definition of murder is pretty clear: unlawful homicide. The definition of homicide is also pretty clear: killing a human being. I guess that we need a clearer definition of murder. The wishy-washy areas are "human" (when does a fetus become human?) and "unlawful". We make the laws, so we can make it legal for a soldier to kill the enemy (though there are also such things as war crimes). We can make it legal for the government to kill people for murder or for being Jewish. (Are Jews human?)
GDR writes:
There's a saying about erring on the side of caution. As Jesus pointed out, nobody is qualified to cast the first stone. And to paraphrase an opponent of capital punishment, There may well be some criminals who deserve to die but we are not qualified to decide which ones. It isn't about certainty but about an unprovable truth that we can have faith in. When in doubt, don't kill. We can't always be certain that we did the right thing but we can often be certain that we didn't do the wrong thing."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
No professional can let religion get in the way of his/her professionalism. You really need to examine your contention that Christians can't be professionals."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Yeah, that's what creationists always say - they don't have enough faith to accept reality. But they do have enough faith to believe that fantasies trump reality. however I don't have the faith to believe that this can from a strictly materialistic world."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Theodoric writes:
God is the spackle in the gaps. Maybe you should start with a definition of god."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
I especially love bacon, on the hoof as well as in the pan.
I believe that as a Christian I am called to love all animal life... GDR writes:
But vegetarians don't love lions. They think they "know better". ... and should therefore be a vegetarian."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You should also notice that God approved of King George V as well as Kaiser Wilhelm II as well as Tsar Nicholas II and He supported all three of them in World War I (the War of the Cousins). I noticed that the ceremony for the transfer of power to Charles III is an Anglican church service."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
We also get emotional about Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, mass murderers, Trump, Hitler.... It's a long list. Why shouldn't we get emotional about evil? One thing, however, stands out about the late Hitch and many of you. You get hyper emotional in describing the God character and organized religion as a destructive monster. "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And how would you know that? God approved of none of them. But the important thong is that they all CLAIMED that God approved of them - just like you do.
Phat writes:
You're saying He's a monster.
God is folding His arms waiting for us to come to the end of ourselves. Phat writes:
Your beliefs are irrational. I believe that He knows what He is doing and is no monster."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
But that's exactly what we do have. And as I have tried to show Phat, Jesus was all for eternal punishment too. As john Polkinghorne says you can't have both a god that commands genocide and public stoning with the God portrayed by Jesus that says we are to love our enemy and turn the other cheek."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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GDR writes:
Who said anything like that? I just want the gods to leave me alone with my concern for others and keep their hell to themselves. I'd also suggest that those who choose a life which is only focused on their personal desires without concern for others are living a kinda hell on earth."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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