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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You're confusing knowledge with proof. Wrong again. ... if science can't prove that ToE describes the process responsible for producing the fossil record, then science can't claim to know how evolution works. You should just stop using the words "proof" and "know", since you have no idea what you're talking about."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Stop saying "prove". It just makes you look stupid.
No one will ever be able to prove... Dredge writes:
And stop saying "Darwinist". It just makes you look stupid. ... so only an idiot (or a Darwinist) would claim that ToE is "knowledge". ToE definitely IS knowledge. Biology makes no sense without evolution. And an idiot like you calling somebody else an idiot just demonstrates that you're an idiot."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
In what way is a moving nostril bonkers? We see humans with nostrils in different positions. What's so hard to understand about a survival advantage being passed on from generation to generation? This hypothesis is as bonkers as that fairy tale about whales evolution. Be specific."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Explain. A shameful example of contextomy."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
But he's smarter than you.
Even the village idiot knows... Dredge writes:
Stop saying "prove".
... that no one will ever be able to prove... Dredge writes:
What's arrogant about refusing to accept the pronouncements of a fool like you?
Who's being arrogant now? Dredge writes:
You certainly did. You have claimed repeatedly in this thread that "nobody can know x". I'm saying that YOU can not know what other people can know.
You must be confusing me with someone else ... I never made that claim. Dredge writes:
Yes it is - and you are in no position to pontificate about it, idiot.
A theory is not knowledge... Dredge writes:
It's the BEST description and explanation available. And that's the only kind of knowledge we have about anything. ... it's just an idea that descibes a possibility."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Why on earth would we be advised by an idiot? Please be advised that ToE is neither a fact and nor is it knowledge. YOU should be advised that your admission of being unintelligent makes everything you say irrelevant."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
And that point has been refuted six ways from Sunday.
In Message 343 I made the point that using science to explain evolutionary transitions in the fossil record is pointless unless the explanation can be proven to be correct ... Dredge writes:
And you've also been told six ways from Sunday that science has nothing to do with proof.
... in other words, without that proof, using science in that context is irrelevant. Dredge writes:
It's clear that you do think all science is irrelevant because you continue to talk about "proof" and you refuse to learn anything about science.
But you've ignored the context and taken the words "science is irrelevant" to make the absurd claim in Message 351 that I think all science is irrelevant. Dredge writes:
Because some poor innocent person who only got the Internet yesterday might think we don't know how to deal with assholes like you. As long as you continue to post rubbish, somebody has to clean it up. Why did you do that?"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
I explained the blowhole to you in Message 120. The vestigial hindquarters are no different. Since there is no longer a need for them to be near the spine, there is no longer a need for them to be near the spine. Have you noticed that the whales' mythical "vestigial pelvis" is located nowhere near the spjne? Do you even know what "vestigial" means?
Dredge writes:
Describes you pretty well. "although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:21-22)"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
And yet they think all of their questions are unanswerable. ... no creationist has ever attempted to answer that simple necessary question."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Stop saying "proven". Science has nothing to do with proof. There is no place for the words "proof", "prove" or "proven" in this topic. Why don't you try to make your point without mentioning proof at all? Many forms of science are relevant and are demonstrably proven correct ... And all forms of science are interlinked, so you can't cherry-pick which ones are relevant and which ones are not. If evolution is wrong, then so is gravity.
Dredge writes:
Stop saying "proven". Science doesn't need to prove anything because science does not deal in proof. It deals in what works. ToE, on the other hand, is nothing more than a useless, irrelevant story that cannot be proven to be correct. And ToE works. We actually know more about ToE than we know about ToG. ToE is one of the most rigorously tested and robust theories we have.
Dredge writes:
Nonsense. How evolutionary principles improve the understanding of human health and disease No one ever cured or treated disease with the theory that humans evolved from fish. You could have Googled that yourself."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You're a self-admitted dunce. Where do you get off calling anybody else a dunce? You wouldn't know a dunce if one sat down beside you in church.
Stop talking like a dunce. Dregge writes:
Nonsense. Learn something.
An description or explanation isn't knowledge until it's been proven to be correct. Dredge writes:
Science doesn't deal in proof. Science deals in what works and ToE works - it corresponds with what we observe in the real world.
So ToE isn't knowledge because it can't be proven to be correct. Dredge writes:
See, there you go again calling science a fairy tale. (Oh no ... I've used that word again (twice!) .. the one that craps on your fairy-tale science And how arrogant can you get, thinking you can refute science?"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
On the contrary, it's a perfectly good word, like "chocolate". ringo writes:
Darwinists don't like that word, do they? Stop saying "prove". What we don't like is you using it wrong. Talking about proof in science is meaningless. You might as well try to refute science by saying it doesn't have enough chocolate. And we don't like the fact that you aggressively refuse to learn anything. Ignorance is normal. Everybody is ignorant of something. Nobody can know everything. But ignorance is curable.
Willful ignorance is shameful. To ignore the knowledge that is there and to deny that it is there is almost as low as a human can sink. But your fierce ignorance is even worse. You refuse to learn even when people try to help you.
Dredge writes:
Are you aware that everything you have said here is readily available for anybody to see? ringo writes:
Liar. You have claimed repeatedly in this thread that "nobody can know x". Your own words prove that YOU are the liar - your second message in this thread:
quotex = how abiogenesis occurred QED (And that is a correct usage of the word "prove".)"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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dwise1 writes:
That would be interesting. How DO whales give birth, if not through the pelvis? And what about other animals? Of course, I'm more familiar with human anatomy, so I'd like to hear from someone familiar with the pelvic anatomy of other animals. Though the story should till be somewhat the same (except possibly for the necessity of expanding the pelvis during birthing). I saw on TV the other day that male bearded dragons have two hemi-penises. I also learned years ago that some male marsupials have two penises and the females have a forked vagina. The world is so much more interesting when you're not Dredge."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Nor does ToE. Humans and fish evolved from a common ancestor. The Smiths and the McDonalds descended from a common ancester too but nobody thinks all Smiths descended from McDonalds. None of the useful "evolutionary principles" described in that paper include the theory that humans evolved from fish."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I already gave up my day job when I retired. And I became a rational thinker (with occasional lapses) decades before that. I hope you're not thinking of giving up your day-job to become a rational thinker. The core of rational thinking is reasoning. You need to provide reasons for your conclusions, which you never do."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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