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AZPaul3
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Message 586 of 1429 (896340)
08-06-2022 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 581 by Dredge
08-06-2022 4:39 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Please provide one example of how ToE has proven useful in treating disease.
You ever get a flu shot?

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Message 587 of 1429 (896341)
08-06-2022 5:11 PM
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08-06-2022 4:42 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Sludge writes:
Those posters deliberately and dishonestly twisted my words and misrepresented my position - in other words, that bowl of spiders were liars. You were probably one of them.
Yep, I probably was, and like every other argument of yours has been refuted and corrected this one is also. Deliberately and dishonestly twisting your opponent's words and misrepresenting your opponent's position and making absurd claims about evolution and science is all you have done here, and your bullshit has been corrected repeatedly, but with you it is always "pete and repeat."
ID and creationism have been defeated by their own lies and failure to produce any supporting evidence for creation or intelligent design, of the Universe, or of life.
Sludge writes:
All those snakes did was ignore that I was arguing
Come on make up your mind which is most despicable, snakes or spiders?

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One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Message 588 of 1429 (896342)
08-06-2022 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 582 by Dredge
08-06-2022 4:42 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
That's bullshit - none of the posters here refuted my argument back then. All those snakes did was ignore that I was arguing that ToE was useless and instead pretended that I was arguing that "principles of evolution" (such as selection acting on beneficial mutations) were useless. I never argued that "principles of evolution" were useless, because they're not.

Those posters deliberately and dishonestly twisted my words and misrepresented my position - in other words, that bowl of spiders were liars. You were probably one of them.
None of these grievances are real. You've had ample opportunities to discuss the issues but haven't availed yourself of any of them, instead taking the troll approach, as you're again doing here.
If you ever decide you would like to engage in discussion it's not too late.
--Percy

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Message 589 of 1429 (896346)
08-06-2022 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 585 by dwise1
08-06-2022 4:57 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Evolution is a change in allele frequency within a population.
As for the theory of evolution, there are different versions. I will use the version I've been using for the last two months or so - the theory that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via the mechanism of natural selection acting on mutations.

Edited by Dredge, .


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Dredge
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Message 590 of 1429 (896349)
08-06-2022 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 586 by AZPaul3
08-06-2022 5:10 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Please explain how ToE (the theory that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via the mechanism of natural selection acting on mutations)⁶ has contributed to the development of flu vaccines.

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dwise1
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Message 591 of 1429 (896350)
08-06-2022 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 589 by Dredge
08-06-2022 7:17 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Very skimpy and sketchy. Kind of in the right direction, but you're still not saying anything. Frankly, if that is all that you "know" about either evolution or evolutionary theory, then it's no wonder you have no clue what you are talking about.
Please expand and expound on your "answers". Include the question of speciation and how that works. And there is a helluva lot about evolutionary theory that you are leaving out.
Some of your past statements indicate that you might believe that evolution requires some kind of unknown external causational force (eg, paraphrasing "what causes the bones of the middle ear to move?"). Is that the case? Why would you think that? Why would the natural process of evolution (AKA "life doing what life always does") be insufficient?
Also, there's a helluva lot more going on in evolution that you're leaving out. Go through the life cycle of the generations of a population. What is going on there? We have gone through that evolution (naval terminology) ourselves so we understand that process fairly well. Obviously, you never have, so it's high time that you get off your duff, turn to, and make up for lost time.
As for the theory of evolution, there are different versions.
So if you are aware of different versions, that means that you can list them and describe each one. And that you hopefully understand each one well enough to discuss its pros and cons, to the best of your ability.
Also bear in mind that the overall Theory of Evolution is itself a bundle of theories each dealing with a subtopic within the study of evolution. Just picking a single one of those theories out of that bundle and misrepresenting it as being the entirety of evolutionary theory, which is precisely what you have just done, is an act of either extreme dishonesty or extreme stupidity. Or both, which I suspect in your case.
Instead, try honesty this once in your deluded life. For shits and grins if for no other reason.
A visit to ontogeny might be helpful, since embryonic development is where changes get expressed (forget how fast and loose Star Trek and X-Men play with DNA expression).
If you think that any part of that has problems, then explain. Be as specific as needed. And provide valid arguments or complaints, not the same old stupid bullshit you've been posting so far.

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Message 592 of 1429 (896351)
08-06-2022 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 590 by Dredge
08-06-2022 7:35 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Knock off the grab-ass! You have work to do!
Hmm, now this is interesting:
... (the theory that all life on earth evolved from a common ancestor via the mechanism of natural selection acting on mutations)⁶ ...
A footnote reference! Where did that come from? What source did you steal that from? Copying and pasting from somewhere else and falsely using it as your own?
Does creationist evil know no bounds?

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Message 593 of 1429 (896352)
08-06-2022 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 590 by Dredge
08-06-2022 7:35 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Please explain how ToE ...
Serious? The most basic understanding is missing? How do you fight against something you know absolutely nothing about?
ToE details the various mutation vectors for the evolution of organisms and that includes viruses.
What do you think happens to a virus that mutates? Hint: It doesn't go to high mass and mumble hail marys for an hour.

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Message 594 of 1429 (896354)
08-07-2022 8:29 AM
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08-06-2022 7:57 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
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Edited by Dredge, .

Edited by Dredge, .


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Message 595 of 1429 (896355)
08-07-2022 8:43 AM
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08-06-2022 9:19 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
The point is, no one needs Darwinist folklore to develop vaccines or treat disease ... the part that says all life on earth shares a common ancestor.

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Dredge
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Message 596 of 1429 (896356)
08-07-2022 8:45 AM
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08-06-2022 7:53 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
dwise1 writes:
there's a helluva lot more going on in evolution that you're leaving out.
No kidding.
it's no wonder you have no clue what you are talking about.
The fact remains that no one can prove that they know what process produced the changes evident in the fossil record, and therefore no one can claim to know how evolution works.

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Message 597 of 1429 (896357)
08-07-2022 9:07 AM
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08-07-2022 8:29 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
Good question. I have no idea how that little number got there ... it wasn't a quote ... not that it matters.
Information available online says that it's possible to superscript a character inside a textbox, but none of the suggestions work for me.
--Percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 598 of 1429 (896359)
08-07-2022 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 595 by Dredge
08-07-2022 8:43 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
The point is, no one needs Darwinist folklore to develop vaccines or treat disease ...
Point is, only in understanding the ToE do we have understanding of the vectors of disease and how to formulate vaccines to more effective use.
The fact remains that no one can prove that they know what process produced the changes evident in the fossil record, and therefore no one can claim to know how evolution works.
Liar.
We know exceptionally well the forces and mechanisms that created both the fossil record and the stupidity of catholicism.

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Message 599 of 1429 (896362)
08-07-2022 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 574 by Dredge
08-05-2022 7:39 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Dredge writes:
None of the useful "evolutionary principles" described in that paper include the theory that humans evolved from fish.
Nor does ToE. Humans and fish evolved from a common ancestor. The Smiths and the McDonalds descended from a common ancester too but nobody thinks all Smiths descended from McDonalds.

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AZPaul3
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Message 600 of 1429 (896363)
08-07-2022 10:42 AM
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08-07-2022 8:29 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
My fragile, eggshell mind.
Yes, we know. Can't even respond to the right poster.

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