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Topic: Coffee House Musings on Creationist Topic Proposals
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 373 of 1429 (895849)
07-22-2022 6:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 258 by Percy
06-26-2022 5:54 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Percy writes: But it is true that science believes that the theory of evolution is the best explanation we have for the diversity of life on earth, including the history of that life as recorded in the fossil record.
I agree 100% .. although it's irrelevant to my argument.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 374 of 1429 (895850)
07-22-2022 6:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 262 by Tangle
06-27-2022 3:24 AM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tangle writes: The ToE though, is not a fact in scientific terms
ToE is not a fact in any terms.
it has a higher status than a simple fact.
Darwinist folklore (ie, ToE explains the fossil record) "has a higher status than a simple fact"? At first I thought you were being serious, but then I realized you're joking. Funny one!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 375 of 1429 (895851)
07-22-2022 6:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 264 by nwr
06-27-2022 9:58 AM
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Re: Facts are not Forever
nwr writes: I expect YECs to disagree with this. They do see facts as coming directly from their God, and thus not subject to human social conventions. However, they are just following their own YEC social convention.
If this comment is directed at me, please be advised that I'm not a YEC.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 376 of 1429 (895852)
07-22-2022 6:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 265 by Tangle
06-27-2022 11:43 AM
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Re: Facts are not Forever
The vacuum chamber in that video reminds me of my cranium.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 380 of 1429 (895856)
07-22-2022 8:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 379 by AZPaul3
07-22-2022 7:41 AM
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Re: Dredge Is YEC
I love your sense of humour.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 382 of 1429 (895858)
07-22-2022 8:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 381 by AZPaul3
07-22-2022 8:26 AM
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Re: Dredge Is YEC
AZPaul3 writes: And it's no laughing matter.
Oh but it is a laughing matter ... because your clown act is so good!
You are YEC.
Believe that if you like, but I have no idea how you came to that bizaree conclusion. All I know is it's so bizarre, it's funny!
You just lie about it like you do everything else.
Is "Bozo" your clown name? Or did you come up with something more original?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Tanypteryx writes: Do you have any comments?
No.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 390 of 1429 (895867)
07-22-2022 2:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 388 by dwise1
07-22-2022 2:16 PM
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Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
dwise1 writes: Dredge will insist that he's not a YEC solely because he allegedly doesn't follow the young-earth party line, but he's pure creationist in all other ways.
Old-earth creationist ... that sounds like me.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 391 of 1429 (895868)
07-22-2022 2:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 385 by dwise1
07-22-2022 12:09 PM
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Re: Dredge Is YEC
dwise1 writes: So YE/OE notwithstanding, Dredge is still a willfully stupid lying evil creationist.
Is that any way to refer to a friend?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 393 of 1429 (895870)
07-22-2022 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 386 by AZPaul3
07-22-2022 1:20 PM
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Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
Please be advised that your unhinged rants are very entertaining. They do make me chuckle. Keep 'em coming!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 396 of 1429 (895873)
07-22-2022 4:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 394 by AZPaul3
07-22-2022 2:34 PM
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Re: Dredge Is Still YEC
In the fullness of time ...
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 397 of 1429 (895874)
07-22-2022 4:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 395 by dwise1
07-22-2022 3:11 PM
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Re: Dredge Is YEC
Since we are friends, I was going to invite you to my birthday party in August, but now I'm having second thoughts ...
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 407 of 1429 (896024)
07-29-2022 10:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 266 by Percy
06-27-2022 1:14 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Percy writes: You're still confusing two different things: how evolution works, and how evolution happened. We know how evolution works because we can study it happening today. We can't know how evolution happened in the past because selection and mutation do not leave evidence behind. Actually, that's not strictly true since mutations in modern descendants can often provide decipherable evidence about the relatedness and evolutionary descent of lifeforms, both extant and extinct.
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works. A simple argument based on simple logic - how come you don't understand it?
But the important point is the distinction between how evolution works and how it happened. They're two different things. One we know, the other we usually don't, except perhaps at a very undetailed level. For instance, while we don't know the details of the evolution of the whale's blowhole, we do have fossils that indicate a progression (in different ways in different lines of descent), and we do have fetal development, which often provides clues about evolutionary history.
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced whales, so you can't claim to know how whales evolved.
Ontogeny doesn't recapitulate ontology in anything like the strict way that Haeckel insisted, but it does provide clues.
Please speak English. "Ontogeny" has something to do with dentistry, doesn't it? What does dentistry have to do with evolution?
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 413 of 1429 (896040)
07-30-2022 1:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 411 by AZPaul3
07-29-2022 2:32 PM
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
AZPaul3 writes: We don’t need to prove anything.
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record ... therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works.
We still know that the ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record.
You're delusional - you can't distinguish between Darwinist folklore and reality. Bizarre. Darwinists claim to know things that they don't ... so their reputation as the bullshit artists and snake-oil merchants of science is justified.
Catholic lying. Again. That is all you seem to do in these posts.
If you are allergic to the truth, it's not my fault. Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, . Edited by Dredge, .
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works ... in which case, you're full of it.
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