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Dredge
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Message 417 of 1429 (896047)
07-30-2022 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 415 by AZPaul3
07-30-2022 6:40 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
AZPaul3 writes:
we do not need to prove anything
Thank you for admitting that your quasi-religious beliefs are based on faith and not on facts.

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Dredge
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From: Australia
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Message 419 of 1429 (896055)
07-30-2022 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by vimesey
07-06-2022 2:14 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
vimesey writes:
We have tons of evidence - a gnat's whisker would outweigh yours.
You can't prove that ToE describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record, therefore you can't claim to know how evolution works.

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Dredge
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Message 421 of 1429 (896057)
07-30-2022 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by AZPaul3
07-09-2022 10:42 PM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
AZPaul3 writes:
we have the original land animal the whales evolved from: pakicetus.
Prove it. You can't. All you can do it is recite Darwinist folklore and mindlessly claim it's factual.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 422 of 1429 (896058)
07-30-2022 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Tangle
07-10-2022 7:01 AM


Tangle writes:
That's sad for you but science doesn't need what you insist on having to know that the middle ear evolved - we have the fossils to prove it.
I'm not arguing that there is a lack of evidence for evolution - I'm arguing that it's impossible to know what caused it.
The article you linked doesn't explain what caused the evolution of the middle-ear ... because no one knows.
Your article is just one more example of not knowing how evolution works.

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Dredge
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Message 423 of 1429 (896059)
07-30-2022 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 294 by kjsimons
07-10-2022 7:28 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
kjsimons writes:
Not stupid but somewhere along in his life he became a looney! He now basically believes in an intelligent designer for some crazy reason. Many otherwise intelligent people can be total loons about some things and that's what's happened to this doctor. I feel sorry for him but nothing he says has any effect on the reality of evolution.
Dr. Bechly doesn't deny that evolution has happened ... he argues that ToE can't account for what is observed.

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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 427 of 1429 (896065)
07-30-2022 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by kjsimons
07-30-2022 4:44 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
Prove that he's wrong.

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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 433 of 1429 (896075)
07-31-2022 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 432 by nwr
07-30-2022 9:30 PM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
nwr writes:
What's the point of arguing about this?
If you doubt that ToE fully explains evolution, you are entitled to those doubts. But just repeating your doubts doesn't do anything. You won't persuade anybody that way.
You don't seem to understand my argument. I'm not arguing that ToE is inadequate and I'm not trying to persuade anyone that it is.
My argument is that no one can prove that ToE (or any other theory) describes the process that shaped the fossil record, therefore no one can claim to know how evolution works.
Even if ToE is an accurate description of the process that shaped the history of life on earth, no one will ever know, because no one can prove that it is.
Darwinists (like those on this site, for example) claim to know how evolution works, but they can't prove it, so it seems to me that they're seriously delusional or seriously brain-washed ... or worse.
Bechly isn't persuading the biologists, just as Behe isn't persuading the biologists.
No kidding? Bechly and Behe are not going to persuade all those rusted-on atheist biologists out there. On the contrary, all those rusted-on atheist biologists out there will be hostile to any suggestion of intelligent design in nature.
"The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” (Psalms 14:1)

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 446 of 1429 (896091)
07-31-2022 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 434 by vimesey
07-31-2022 7:57 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
vimesey writes:
Once again Dredge, proof is not a concept that exists in science - only falsifiable hypotheses backed by evidence.
Fine. If science can't prove that ToE describes the process responsible for producing the fossil record, then science can't claim to know how evolution works.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 448 of 1429 (896093)
07-31-2022 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 435 by nwr
07-31-2022 8:37 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
nwr writes:
Science isn't about proof.
If science can't prove that ToE describes the process responsible for producing the fossil record, then science can't claim to know how evolution works.
Neither you nor Bechly nor Behe has a better explanation.
Irrelevant to my argument.
There are also many Christian biologists out there. "Atheist" has nothing to do with the issue.
"Nearly 95% of the biologists in the National Academy of Sciences describe themselves as atheists or agnostics, a far higher percentage than in any other scientific discipline." (Larry Witham,
Where Darwin Meets the Bible (2002), pp. 271-273)
I'm not hostile to the idea that there is intelligent design in nature. But I am hostile to the stream of lies and bullshit coming from the intelligent design movement.
Translation:
"the idea that there is intelligent design in nature" = "the stream of lies and bullshit coming from the intelligent design movement"

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
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Message 449 of 1429 (896094)
07-31-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 436 by AZPaul3
07-31-2022 8:42 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
AZPaul3 writes:
We already know the evolutionary mechanisms that wrote the fossil record.
Please stop repeating this stupid falsehood. You're making a fool of yourself. It's embarrassing to watch.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 450 of 1429 (896095)
07-31-2022 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 437 by ringo
07-31-2022 10:14 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes:
Science is based on evidence and not on "proof". 
In that case, if science can't prove that ToE describes the process responsible for producing the fossil record, then science can't claim to know how evolution works.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 452 of 1429 (896097)
07-31-2022 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 438 by ringo
07-31-2022 10:20 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
ringo writes:
You have already admitted that you are unintelligent - i.e. that you are mindless.
That is a grossly unfair and offensive comment. I said I have an IQ of 9 and that therefore I qualify as an idiot ... an idiot is not "mindless".
Why would you be the one who can distinguish fact from folklore?
That is an excellent question and I thank you for it.
I will answer it by saying that sometimes even an idiot gets it right. As a matter of fact, all of my opinions and insights expressed on this site have been right.

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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 453 of 1429 (896099)
07-31-2022 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 439 by ringo
07-31-2022 10:25 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes:
That's not what you've been saying. Your claim is that we "can't know", not that we can't account for it.
What? I was referring to Bechly's argument, not mine.

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Dredge
Member (Idle past 103 days)
Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 454 of 1429 (896100)
07-31-2022 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by ringo
07-31-2022 10:32 AM


Re: Dredge thinks not knowing everything is not knowing anything
ringo writes:
As long as you keep talking about proof, you're just making yourself look stupid.
Firstly, too late ... it's pretty safe to assume that someone with an IQ of 9 is already stupid.
Secondly, you don't want to talk about proof because you know full well that you can't prove that ToE describes the process that shaped the history of life on earth. Your mind doesn't want to venture outside it's safe and warm little bubble of Darwinist belief.

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Dredge
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Posts: 2850
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016


Message 457 of 1429 (896109)
07-31-2022 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by ringo
07-11-2022 11:57 AM


Re: Dredge Doesn't Think
All you can know from fossils is that "evolution" happened. The fossils don't let you know HOW "evolution" happened. Grow up.

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