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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
"You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive" (Matthew 13:14)
No matter how many time you are wrong, you are still always wrong.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes:
Translation: "I claim to know what mechanisms were responsible for the history of life, but I wasn't there to observe it and I have no way of verifying my claim, so the truth is, I actually don't know. Therefore I can't actually claim to know how evolution works."
So to restate what I originally said about evolution: "I can describe the process of evolution, but I can't know any of the specific events of evolutionary history."Nothing is proven within science.
... and yet you claim to know that life on earth evolved according to ToE!
But the evidence strongly suggests that evolution explains the history of life we find in the fossil record.
A red herring. I'm not disputing that evolution has occurred. My argument is that no one can know HOW it happened ... and thus, no one can claim to know how evolution works.
It's actually a very good analogy, for the very reasons you give. House construction is "readily observable and repeatable," to use your words, and so is evolution.
No one observed any of the (alleged) evolutionary transitions on the fossil record and no one can repeat them ... unlike your analogy of building a house.Therefore house-construction is a very poor analogy for evolution. That is why I have marked your paper, "F" (for "fail").
And just as nothing prevents a house from being added to indefinitely, nothing prevents evolution from continuing indefinitely, i.e., macroevolution.
That is an assumption. You cannot prove that genetic change has unlimited potential.
We know how evolutionary change happens: it happens via natural selection of modified descendants.
You can't prove that those mechanisms were responsible for the changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record. You can't even prove that said changes were all part of a contiguous biological process. Therefore you can't possibly claim to know how said changes happened.
Getting back to the chromosome difference between chimps and humans, we have no information about the specific sequence of mutations and reproductive acts and environmental pressures that led to the chromosomes combining head-to-head on the line of descent that led to humans. We know that natural selection working on descent with modification produces this sort of change
Another assumption - you don't "know that natural selection working on descent with modification" produced a human from some kind of ape - you simply assume it did. Then - as is the wont of Darwinists - you attempt to pass off your assumption as a fact.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Yes, I agree ... All creationists are evil.
Good people are products of evolution, whereas evil people - such as creationists - are products of evilution. Dat's de awful troof.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
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AZPaul3 writes:
Easy to say, but impossible to prove ... therefore your science is irrelevant and your claim to know what process produced the fossil record is a load of bs. Protein differences creating incrementally different structures over generations as determined by changes in the gene sequence and selected for in the environment. That is how all three of your 'please describes' were manifest.In effect, you're guessing ... not to mention, abusing your position as a scientist to pass off your quasi-religious Darwinist beliefs as fact.
And we know this from observation in the field and experiments in the lab.
Yeah, right ... you've observed how a eukaryote evolved from a prokaryote, how an amphibian's double-circulation heart evolved from the single-circulation heart of a fish, how mammals evolved from fish and how silk-production evolved in spiders. LOL!! The truth is, you deluded Darwinists don't know nearly as much as you claim to.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
But Darwinists (esp the atheist variety) believe that ToE is more than a theory - they believe it is a fact.Parasomnium writes:
Hilarious. Every Darwinist believes ToE is a fact - that why they're called Darwinists.
No, they don't.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes:
You still don't get it - I'm not disputing that evolution happened. He's doing God's work, or at least he thinks he is. Unfortunately for him, when he reaches the Pearly Gates he'll discover that God, as the creator of all the processes of life, is an evolutionist. Please pay attention!
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
All the atheists on this site, for example, believe that the history of life on earth proceeded according to ToE. I wonder if any Atheist Darwinists would agree with your fairness? So, you can read the thoughts of a subset of atheists and a subset Darwinists and even better, you know what they believe? How many of these guys are there? Got any names? Go on atheist sites and try to find an atheist who doesn't believe that the history of life on earth proceeded according to ToE. Good luck.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
A Darwinist is someone who believes that the history of life on earth proceeded according to ToE, which is based on the theory proposed by Charles Darwin.
So "Darwinist" is a rational and apt moniker, I should think.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Please be advised that not even a hint of stupidity or asininity can be found in any of my missives.
stupidly asinine
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes:
Please be advised that ToE is a product of atheism and is the religion of atheists.
Why are you singling out atheists?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
There might be something to your theory - I am devout and I am stupid
My theory is that the more devout, the more stupid a SFC would be.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes:
Thank you for that interesting information, of which hitherto I was ignorant.
I said God is an evolutionist, and as such he accepts as fact that evolution happened and accepts the theory of evolution as the explanation for how evolution takes place, both today and in the past.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Percy writes:
This comment is just sad - a drowning man, desperately clutching at straws. Now you're just playing games with the word "know." No one here has used the word "know" in anything other than a scientific sense. Instead of admitting defeat, you've resorted to a most inane and frankly bizarre argument, thoroughly unworthy of your intelligence. I have no choice but to mark your work with another "F". How unfortunate it is to see a fine mind unravelling and collapsing into chaos. Like I said ... sad.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
You must have a lot of time on your hands ...
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
Yes, according to the informative link you so kindly provided, since I have an IQ of 9, I reside squarely in "idiot" territory ... below that of "imbecile" (IQ of 26-50) and well south of "moron" (IQ of 51–70).
But then you do keep telling us that your IQ is way down there around 10, which officially qualifies you as a mid-range idiot: " ... "idiot" (IQ of 0–25) ... "
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