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Author Topic:   Jar's belief statement- Part 2
jar
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Message 183 of 250 (338384)
08-07-2006 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by robinrohan
08-07-2006 1:35 PM


Re: Is GOD cruel?
Your God appears to be very limited in ability. I would have thought God would have been able to figure out a way to develop life that was less mistake-prone. He appears to be incompetent.
That all depends on what you think GODs purpose might be. If it is that life continue, as I believe it is, the system is near perfect. As conditions change, there are critters that can survive. In addition, it has led to remarkable variety of living things that have existed contiuously now for something like 3.5 Billion years or maybe even longer.
Also, as I said, the system also provided a method to ameliorate the bad effects of birth defects and hopefully someday eliminate them as needed.
I find that makes more sense, (and remember, this discussion began when you asserted that my belief was just sentimental, an assertion you seem to have abandoned entirely as usual), than some theology that blames all on some Fall.
Edited by jar, : apallin spallin

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 185 of 250 (338440)
08-07-2006 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by robinrohan
08-07-2006 7:56 PM


Re: Is GOD cruel?
These constant accusations of my changing the topic or something is nonsense. You betray the sentimentality of your beleif in this latest post. It takes 3 billion years for this God to make a start on fixing the situation of human suffering? And you call this "near-perfect"? That's sentimentality.
Well, that is both a total misrepresentation of what I have said as well as a totally absurd statement in its own right.
The system is self correcting. The system works. The system has been working jess fine for at least 3 billion years.
If you look way back in the message I posted that you quotemined an out of context piece from, I said:
Human suffering comes from two sources, natural processes which we understand better everyday, and people screwing up.
Message 173 for the whole message.
You neglected to include the second half of the sentence.
You also ignored the part that I posted dealing with the issue of Sentimentality but I will repeat myself for your benefit.
I guess some theology where the blame lies not in the individual but some fantasy Fall is not sentimental?
Some theology where folk claim "it's a sinful world" is not sentimental?
Some "it's not MY fault" theology is not sentimental?
Some theology where "I'm saved and you aren't, nah-nah-nah" is not sentimental?
I accept the universe as it is, do not pretend it is as I wish it were. Human suffering is primarily caused by two things, natural processes and human behavior. Many birth defects are the direct result of human behavior. We can change that behavior. Others are due to the same process that allows life to evolve and continue. Sorry, that is reality. The process is neither good nor bad, it is the process.
People can change their behavior, and we can also do more and more everyday to ameliorate human suffering. Again, that is in OUR hands.
It seems to me that any other position, blame GOD as an example, is the sentimental position. You seem to believe otherwise and that is fine, I have never tried to change anyones beliefs or position.
All I can do is try to present my best case for my beliefs. If you find them un-compelling that too is fine.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 193 of 250 (338651)
08-08-2006 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by riVeRraT
08-08-2006 9:49 PM


Re: What is sin?
Maybe the joke is on you. Being convinced that it doesn't exist makes you safe, doesn't it?
Yup. Sure does.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Posts: 34026
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Message 202 of 250 (338695)
08-09-2006 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by riVeRraT
08-09-2006 8:49 AM


Re: There is no devil, we are safe.
Yup.
The story is allegorical.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 227 of 250 (339055)
08-10-2006 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Parasomnium
08-10-2006 6:53 PM


Re: The Case of the Inexplicably Called "Unexplainable" Missing Stump
Drive by stumping.

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