Examples of non-Christian Moral systems.

How about Christian killing Christian?Can you cite an example of one incident of followers of one of the Eastern Religions, Buddhist, Confucius, Mencius, the Doists, where there was warfare between the different believers of that faith over interpretations of their Religion?

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Sorry, but I can not find a single point in that whole post that makes any sense whatsoever.

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What are you talking about?First, what do prophesies or miracles have to do with the discussion of " Examples of non-Christian Moral systems"?Second, in the threads discussing either miracles or prophesies, neither you or anyone else has been able to show one clear and supported example of either a Prophesy fullfilled or a documented miracle.The question in this thread revolves around examples of Non-Christian Moral systems. Some examples have been shown. One that you seem to be commenting on is Buddhism.Would you agree that the Buddhist Moral system is at a minimum, as effective and productive as the Christian Moral system? If not, do you have anything that shows that the Buddhist Moral system (one that has been around far longer than the Christian Moral system) is not at least as effective if not more so than the Christian Moral system?

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Good GOD yes!!!!!!! As was Luther and most others.I really wonder just how deeply you've looked into the history of Christianity? It is a fascinating study and one that every Christian should explore.But the Judaic based religions have really been fundamentally different from any of the other religions that have developed. They have been far less tolerant, especially within their own community. And that is something we need to know and learn from or we will repeat (and all signs are that we are actively doing so) the very things that lead to such atrocities.

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You still don't get it do you. The big thing about Christianity, particularly the Fundamental Christians, is that belief that they have True Doctrine.This message has been edited by jar, 07-06-2004 12:07 AM

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MikeI really respect your input and point of view and hope you'll help address what I think are some of the major questions raised.If you look at history, there really has been a difference between Christian and other religous systems when we look at violence. And I am limiting this specifically to violence within and about Religious beliefs.Why are the Judaic based faiths the major ones that exhibit interfaith violence? Why do we only see things like the reformation and counter-reformation, like the history in England and Ireland between Catholics and Protestants, like the wars between Sunni and Shia in Islam or between Judea and Isrial in Judaism in the Judaic based religions? Why was there so much violence over Heresies? If you really examine most of the heresies, they key points of contention were really minor interpretations.As a Christian, I think that this is something that we really need to address. If the Christian Moral Code is as good as we say it is, why is it so intolerant of others' opinions? Why is it so hard for people to follow successfully?Have you seen a single example on this board of one Atheist telling another Atheist that they were not a real Atheist? Have you seen a single example of name calling or one Atheist calling another one a liar?Can you point out a single war between Buddhist factions over dogma? How about among the followers of Mencius or Confucious?

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I don't know of any such examples but that certainly does not mean there are none.But TTBOMK, there has never been anything comparable to the long and bloody history within my own religion.

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The Bible is the Christian guide to Faith. I do not believe that it is literaly correct. And in fact, do not believe that it even matters if it is fact or not.But if you look at any of the examples that I have pointed out, in each case they were driven by True Believers on both sides. Both parties accepted the Bible as the Ultimate Truth and that is exactly and directly what led to the violence. Well, let's look right here on this board. There is a thread right now called WHAT GOD THINKS OF FUNDEMENTALISM at Message 1. There you'll find this quote: and... and... You say... but that is also what each party in the wars and violence I pointed to would say.edited to fix link to other thread.This message has been edited by jar, 07-07-2004 12:36 AM

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One reason that Evolution is generally accepted while the Christian Creation story is not is based on looking at evidence. When you examine evidence you start without a preconcieved notion of the answer. Instead, you examine up all the evidence and let it take you to a conclusion.You also make what may be a few errors in some of your assertions. That is simply not true. The people were not kept from owning or reading a Bible by anything other than education and economics. Prior to the adoption of the movable type printing press, Bibles were made by two methods. The first was hand copied and illumunated. They were expensive and generally more a show item. The later were relatively inexpensive and readily available. Both were owned by the upper class, and since the upper class were generally literate (as was much of the lower classes), read by them.With the advent of the Bibles and other works (notably the BCP) in the vulgate, even the barrier to access posed by needing to read Latin dissappeared.So your use of access to the Bible to decide who is right or wrong simply does not stand up to the evidence. Certainly the people such as Luther, Henry VIII, Mary, Edward, Elizabeth, James, Henry II (France) and so many others that led and fought the continuing wars between Christians all had access to and read the Bible. Well, if you will read my posts you will see that I have been asking almost that question. What I have asked is"What is different about the Judaic Doctrines that seems to lead to so much violence between people that all claim to be following the same God and the same Moral Code?"

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and I freely admit that I have been about as guilty as you can get on going OT.But this thread was intended to show examples of non-Cristian Moral systems. So far we have had a brief mention of Buddhism.Can we get some examples of other such systems and their basic tenets?

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Yes as is Buz and mike and b2b and almeyda and arky and rr and ...

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The purpose was explained in the first post.A claim is often made, usually by fundametalist and literal interpretationist Christians that it is impossible to have a moral system without the Christian GOD.This is not an attack on Christianity, although that has certainly intruded.There are many, many examples of non-Christian Moral Systems. Notably the followers of Buddha, Mencius, Confucius as well as the Atheistic systems that appearto be as effective, in some ways more effective, than the Christian religion. Hopefully we can return to examining those systems.If Christianity or any of the three Judaic Religions are brought into the discussion, hopefully it will be simply to show parallels or differences.I hope that you can contribute some concrete examples.Edited to add:Mike:How familiar are you with Buddhism?This message has been edited by jar, 07-11-2004 05:25 PM

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Not aware that I do argue for Atheistic type things. You'll have to enlighten me. But would you agree that there are viable moral systems that have been put forward by Confucians?

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But you still have not responded about Confucius.It is an entirely different approach to moral systems but would you agree that it has worked well and would be an example of a non-Christian Moral system that has worked well even longer than Christianity?

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There is nothing unique to the Christian position on Lust. All of the Moral Systems have a similar point of view relating to Lust.

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