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Author Topic:   Examples of non-Christian Moral systems.
Chiroptera
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Message 52 of 296 (120358)
06-30-2004 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Hangdawg13
06-30-2004 12:53 PM


Re: Almeyda
Every European nation during the last 1000 years?
(Warning: No true Scotsman fallacy coming up!)

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Chiroptera
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Message 58 of 296 (120375)
06-30-2004 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Hangdawg13
06-30-2004 1:28 PM


Re: Almeyda
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This caused them to abandon the Christian moral code.
No true Scotsman fallacy has been sighted and confirmed.

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Chiroptera
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Message 72 of 296 (120437)
06-30-2004 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Hangdawg13
06-30-2004 3:08 PM


Re: Almeyda
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If I started shooting muslims and said I was acting on a humanistic moral base, would I be operating under humanism?
I believe that a standard conservative/religious right/capitalist/whatever argument is that the Soviet Union and People's Republic of China were operating according to socialism. That sort of argument is rather common among apologists for the religious right.
You see Hangdawg13, people are claiming that societies based on Christian ethics are somehow more free and more humane than other ethics. Which is false. Anyone can claim to be Christian and then do the worst things under that banner -- a veneer of Christianity is no guarantee of anything.
But then you argue that if people act according to a very specific set of principles that you make up, then we will have a perfect society. But so what? I can make up a very specific set of principles, call it Buddhism, socialism, humanism, or whatever, and insist that any society that adheres that will be perfectly just and humane. What good does that do? No society is going to adhere perfectly to any set of moral principles. No leadership is going to follow, to the letter, any set of moral principles.
The statement that "true Christian principles would produce a perfect, just society" is either false from the start, or it is just silly.

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Chiroptera
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Message 80 of 296 (120518)
06-30-2004 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Coragyps
06-30-2004 7:12 PM


What do you want to bet that he mentions the good old Indian-killing, slave-owning U.S.A.?

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Chiroptera
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Message 81 of 296 (120520)
06-30-2004 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Hangdawg13
06-30-2004 7:47 PM


Re: ethics choice
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Well you will not find a good ethics system that has existed for any length of time that has not followed many of the same principles found in the Bible.
Would that be, perhaps, because the good ethical principles turn out to be nearly universal? In which case, what is the big deal about the Bible?

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Chiroptera
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Message 224 of 296 (122997)
07-08-2004 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by nator
07-08-2004 11:35 AM


And I should add that even the societies with some sort of authoritarian power stucture, mechanisms exist to get the majority of the people to believe the power arrangements are natural and right. A sort of manufactured consensus, if you will.

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Chiroptera
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Message 226 of 296 (123055)
07-08-2004 5:07 PM
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07-08-2004 4:29 PM


Include "The Invisible Hand of the Market" as one of those supernatural beings, and I'll go a long way toward agreeing with you.

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