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Author Topic:   Examples of non-Christian Moral systems.
Deimos Saturn
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Message 291 of 296 (128358)
07-28-2004 10:53 AM


no morality in nihilism but something very similar
Nihilist do not have morals, but it doesn't mean they steal, rape, kill, and so on.
As a nihilist, i know that i am currently a human, as a human according to my design and how i perceive or remember other humans to behave, and observing the accomplishments humanity has achieved, i know there are several principle functions of the human personality that increase our chances of survival.
Humans live in communes:
Humans have complex social structures, we have elite group leaders, usually the strongest, oldest, and or smartest, usually the smartest. Furthermore, mothers rear their young for the longest period of time for a longer period of time than any other animal on the earth until they are capable of joining other troops or living independently, not just because of laws or anything, the least sophisticated government systems in the world, bush/jungle tribes, are known to keep children within the family longer than any other animal on earth, usually longer for females.
Besides that, humans are known for expecting the entire commune, not just the family, to assist in rearing the child. This kind of social system is seen in gorillas, as well as aboriginals, many native american tribes, and infamously in italians. LOL.
Humans have the ability to talk and communicate in a written language. This suggests that the spoken/written word allows us to communicate ideas to other people, more often than not for purposes of survival, example:
How does the child know whether it should stay perfectly still or climb a tree when the troop sees a lion coming? they differentiate climbing trees and playing statue as two separate ideas. This effectually allows us to survive, since we no longer regard lions are a common threat, we are able to articulate other ideas with word like whether we came from a six day project or a six hundred billion year project.
Humans hunt together. Our large brains allow us to strategize how to stalk an elephant for several days and eventually stand directly beneath it without it knowing our presence. Since we no longer need to bring down elephants to eat or get bones from, we instead play football and perform ballet.
There are a myriad of other inherent behaviors in humans that I wont get in to, but the ones I mentioned show that our intended designs and the function of our brain are all the "morals" we will ever need. They are strikingly similar to religious morals. We shouldn't kill one another over petty things and only in the name of self preservation or the survival of the commune, if we kill over petty things we will be exiled from the commune forced to live on our own, severely reducing our chances of survival.
We do not rape, simply because if we rape, we are seen as unsafe and socially unpleasant and ultimately brought down severely on the social pecking order or abolished from the commune for certain death further inhibiting our ability to pass on our genes.
We do not steal, rather we share. Sharing is how humans came to survive near extinction in the evolutionist view. We share with the children, because we want our children to grow up with other children and increase their likely hood of survival, we share with one another to strengthen social bonds and form friendships or even love relationships in order for us to experience a mutual level of contentment. We don't steal because it creates a lack of trust within the commune that ultimately effects everyone, if caught stealing we will most likely have violent confrontation or risk being exiled from the troop to certain death.
None of my behaviors as a social rational safe friendly and trustworthy human being are religious or scientific. I am merely trying to survive.
Morals in any sense are a bad thing. Morals means that if you are in this religion then your morals are right and any opposing morals are wrong. Morals ultimately create confrontation. Cloning, stem cell research, abortion, legalized marijuana, rock and roll, are all person to person circumstance to circumstance situations in which morals or survival can legitimize depending on the circumstances and the person. However, morals are finite and difficult to say well she’s only fourteen, she was raped, she has a mother who didn’t graduate high school working as a waitress in a diner, no father, no older siblings, three other younger siblings, and lives inthat’s righta trailer park which is no environment for a child with a teenage mother to grow up in to. It becomes very difficult to justify the most minor incidents when it comes to morals like masturbation or even sexual fantasies. One reason why I am a nihilist.
Morals and survival aside, I believe in a person named Jesus Christ. I believe her performed miracles and inspired many people to change their lives for the better, many times averting them from near death. In any right, making someone quite using heroin on belief alone is a miracle in itself. I can say that faith in the possibility that someone like Jesus is possible is enough to help me overlook all the horrors of the world like HIV, world hunger, the hole in the o-zone, mass extinction, encroachment on rainforests, terrorism, OJ Simpson, Anna Nichole Smith, the Olsen twins, reality shows, the daily threat of nuclear annihilation, and last but not least racism.

Nihilism is the answer, and it's not what you think...
http://www.hatem.com

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Deimos Saturn
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Message 293 of 296 (128399)
07-28-2004 2:23 PM


Usually when i speak of things as i perceive them as what they are currently i am speaking of the physical universe that appears to be real, hence the blanket statement.
Humans climb trees.
I insisted that humans do not do this or that because those things we don't do are things that diminishes our chances for survival and procreation (that includes rape because being caught commiting rape would mean instant exhile)however we do those things which goes against our design.
Nihilism is the understanding that all reality is illusory. Of course i was designed purposefully, nihilism suggests the "existence" of god. Existence is only things we can perceive that make up the illusion, since we cannot perceive god or perceive other people's consciousness doesn't mean a thing like god or the consciousness isn't possible by definition.
Is consciousness only a software in a brain or computer processor that computes delays and relays of electricity and chemicals? Can consciousness derive from something else? Is it possible for a plant to be conscious, or even a single drop of water. Like in the human brain, trillions or at least billions of bits of information are calculated by the cerebrum, cerebellum, and medulla. Our cerebrum is the finest engineering masterpiece of nature and probably the most complex arrangement of cells in comparison to all other living organisms on earth, and most likely the most complex collection of solid matter on earth.
An agreeable definition of God:
If you think about it, it is prejudice to say that only fatty acids and proteins or silicon chips can be conscious, if you take a step back, the entire universe and everything in it is an infinitely complex and infinitely big network of micro reactions. Micro reactions just like in the brain that makes up our consciousness, a consciousness that houses the construct of the physical universe, the physical universe itself is housing the construct of our consciousness and visa versa. So of course God is wise and omnipotent. God is conscious of everything in the universe because everything in the universe is inside it, we are not omnipotent because within the construct of the physical universe we experience we can only be conscious of that which is physical or emotional stimulus. We are limited by our perception of physicality, so ultimately, according to nihilism, evolution and creation are both false, if you dive deeper into the metaphysics of it all, ultimately even time is merely a construct of the consciousness, time is only believable to epistemologists and evolution can only be possible with time.
Basic understandings of nihilism.

Nihilism is the answer, and it's not what you think...
http://www.hatem.com

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