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Author Topic:   Examples of non-Christian Moral systems.
riVeRraT
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Message 96 of 296 (120665)
07-01-2004 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Rrhain
06-27-2004 4:55 AM


Re: The 8 fold path and rational morals
Leviticus 18:9
" 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
Where in the bible does it give instructions how to sell your daughter into slavery?
edited to ask that question.
This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 07-01-2004 06:49 AM

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riVeRraT
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Message 97 of 296 (120667)
07-01-2004 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by RAZD
06-26-2004 6:29 PM


Re: The 8 fold path and rational morals
* Know the truth
* Resist evil
* Do not say anything to hurt others
* Respect life, property, and morality
* Work in such a way that you do not hurt others
* Free one's mind from evil thoughts
* Stay in control of one's feelings and thoughts
* Focus the mind through meditation - practice appropriate forms of concentration
That is so redundant its not even funny.
Leviticus 18:9
" 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
the christian model beng fixed is not able to change with the times without some slight-of-hand interpretations.
Plase explain what needs to be tweaked.

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riVeRraT
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Message 114 of 296 (120751)
07-01-2004 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by purpledawn
07-01-2004 8:22 AM


Re: The 8 fold path and rational morals
I would like to know more about this.
For one thing was like the slavery we know today?
Or was it more like the NIV interpretation:
Exodus 21
7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do
They use the word servant.
AMP bible
Exodus 21
7If a man sells his daughter to be a maidservant or bondwoman, she shall not go out [in six years] as menservants do.
KJV
Exodus 21
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
ESV
Exodus 21
7"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.
3 out of those 4 choose not to use the word slave.
When rhain tries to describe it, he wants to invoke anger in people against the bible by using the word slave. When that word, or the descripition of what was going on back then is much different than what is going on today. I know this because of the fact that he brings it up.

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riVeRraT
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Message 116 of 296 (120768)
07-01-2004 10:46 AM
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07-01-2004 10:30 AM


Re: The 8 fold path and rational morals
What does money have to do with it?
Many slaves didn't cost money.
Money alone does not make it slavery, especially like the kind of slavery we had here in America.
It seems the men were free to go after 6 years.
Maybe in those times it wouldn't be wise to let a women go, because she would have no chance in the world by herself.
Couldn't you marry a slave and get her free?

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riVeRraT
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Message 126 of 296 (121178)
07-02-2004 11:17 AM
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07-02-2004 9:48 AM


Re: The 8 fold path and rational morals
Yes I am.
In the sense that if someone wanted to be a slave. Then it would be fine. If it was widely accepted way back then and people didn't have a problem with it. including the slaves themselves, then it would be fine.
To them maybe being a slave was like having a job. Or maybe it was a means to survival. Nothing was easy back then, and you couldn't just walk down to the local grocery store and pick up a loaf of bread and a glass of wine.
It's all relative.
I mean this in the sense that maybe not all slavery was bad back then.
I am not including modern day salvery, or slavery that is against people's will. Those are bad IMO.

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riVeRraT
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Message 136 of 296 (121424)
07-03-2004 12:27 AM
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07-02-2004 3:35 PM


Re: The 8 fold path and rational morals
Regardless of how the slaves are treated, do you really think that any owning of a human being by another human being could ever be considered good, just, and moral?
No, but maybe it was a long time ago in some sort of fashion.
Maybe 2000 years from now, we will look back at how we live, once we get freed from this life we live, and say was it ever right?

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riVeRraT
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Message 178 of 296 (122105)
07-05-2004 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 156 by nator
07-04-2004 1:38 AM


Re: The 8 fold path and rational morals
The next time you or hangdawg try to make that "nonbelievers can't be moral because it's all relative to them" argument, I'm going to refer you right back here.
I not sure I understand what you are saying.
If there was different kinds of slavery, then not all slavery would be the same. There was many rules about slavery. I also stated that I am not an expert on it, so I shouldn't be talking about it I guess.
Anyway, why couldn't a non-believer be not moral?
There are many non-believers who are great people, and do many great things for our society. God gets to judge them too.

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riVeRraT
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Message 179 of 296 (122108)
07-05-2004 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by purpledawn
07-04-2004 10:39 PM


Re: The 8 fold path and rational morals
Sometimes.

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