God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.

How do you manage to live with yourself? A incestuous rape happened last night and you did nothing?Perhaps the fact that one human has raped another is not sufficient to establish any moral responsibility or consequences for you.As for God, absent a particular model for his involvement in human lives, how can you establish whether any particular bad thing implicates God? Exactly how do you believe God operates in the universe? Is your question directed towards the Calvinist? the Deist? Or is it directed to yourself?

Frankly jar, I find your position a little strange. Regardless of the fluidity of the definition of evil, you have no problem denouncing a god who behaves as Calvin described as evil. Why the hesitation to make a call in Taq's hypothetical?

According to you, evil is just a cultural defined thing that is not applicable to God because God is not part of our culture. Whether or not evil is by omission or commission would not seem to matter much under that standard.Apparently though, that line of reasoning can be discarded when necessary.

I can think of plenty of examples of behavior we consider immoral that does not depend on what the victim feels. For example, we consider that adults having sex with children, or giving them unhealthy food is bad for them regardless of the children's feelings.In those cases where society has elected objective standards for morality, any honest person, victim or perpetrator, can make the call on whether an act is moral at least within that society. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

No it doesn't always come back to how the victim feels. In the examples I gave, the victim is absolutely clueless. Instead we make judgement is made independent of what the child may think at the time or in the future.In some cases, we completely ignore the feelings of the ultimate victim. For example, we allow very poor people to raise children who would almost certainly have more opportunity and do better in a wealthier home, because we believe in a right of a parent to raise their children as they see fit. So how do we choose whose happiness matters?

So your personal reason then is protecting child feelings? So what about 14-15 year old boys who completely enjoy that apparently hot adult female molesters are giving up the booty? Is your standard in line with their feelings? The offered measurement (more opportunity) is only partially subjective. And it is far more objective than 'what the child is feeling' a standard that is completely subjective. The real reason we do not use it is because we value parental rights. So what I am asking is a reason for 'parental right' that is based on the feelings of children who at the time of birth are pretty close to oblivious. Your method does not give results that match reality. The best attribute of your system seems to be that you thought it up. But that aspect does not hold much weight with people other than you.Perhaps if you dropped the idea of feelings of the children and made a more subjective statement about what the child's best interest, you would be closer to the truth on many occasions. But that would not add much objectivity, if any.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

So your system does not explain what we actually do. In lots of cases parents are absolutely clueless. Generally speaking we can say that an experienced parent or a trained professional is much better suited to make those decisions than the brand new parents of a new born. In fact, the new born's grandparents are probably better positioned than the parents.However we don't make such decisions with the best interest of the child in mind. Instead we recognize the rights of parents despite the fact that the impact on the child can be greater. And I'm saying the child's "feelings" are not what is taken into account and that such a standard is too nebulous. In fact such a standard is way more nebulous than having all children raised by parents who will be likely to be able to afford a college education.

The problem with your system is that it is subjective and we have no clue as to whether the outcomes are acceptable. In fact it is not even clear that you like the results in all cases.

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