God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.

God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.Many think that God can work miracles.Looking about the world today many see evil happening everywhere. Children starving as the highest evil, all of us sinning as a lower evil.I suggest that if a miracle working God is in existence and does nothing then He is acting in an immoral way. He should not be followed.Debate.Is God moral or immoral for allowing the world to just go along in evil?Regards
DL

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To judge God requires that we have at least as much knowledge as He does. Can anyone step forward and be such a Judge?Does God expect us to judge and even test Him?

If there is an absolute 'good' or an absolute 'bad' then every action, including those undertaken by God, must be judged by that definition.If however 'good' is just whatever God does then there is no way to ever know what is 'good' unless we claim to know the mind of God at any given time.Defining God as good regardless of actions throws out any sense of consistent or absolute morality.

God does not have any knowledge that is not available.Yes, the judge should always be questioned.Especially one, like the Biblical one, that breaks his own laws. Like killing. The flood.Regards
DL

Nice.I am often chastized for saying genocide is good because God uses it.God or any one else using genocide is evil.Regards
DL

How so? What if the current point of this life is to learn how to do good things on our own, without interference from God?If it can be shown that people do not become good when God uses miracles to "bail them out", wouldn't it be better for God to restrain Himself so that people can learn this lesson? A whole universe of selfish, bratty children is not what I'd call a "good" outcome. This is only true if you can show that God cannot have a way to provide more goodness and less evil in the future by allowing some evil to exist today. Good luck. What? Are you saying that a God who can perform miracles doesn't know anything more than what humans know (who cannot perform miracles)?Your statement is inherently contradictory. Not if time is of the essence, and the judge has shown themselves to be worthy of providing such judgement.

StileWorthy judgments like the genocide of the flood?
If then, why not now?
His precedent of interfering is well known.Regards
DL

If a psycopath brutally kills a series of women on the basis that "God told me to do it" should we judge this man evil? Or should we consider the possibility that God really did have a longer term plan where the end might justify the means?

I'd say we should judge him as evil. And if we were going to consider the possibility of God having a long-term plan, we should then show that God at least exists in the first place.My point was to simply show that if one thinks God is actually real, and if one thinks God is actually just and has an interest in our lives... then one can still think this God is not evil while evil exists in this world.Personally, I don't find the first "if" to be rational. But if we accept a few assumptions as true, rationality can still be jammed in there later.

My point isn't to defend the God you're thinking of.My point is to defend a God that someone could be thinking of that is good and yet allows evil to exist on this world.Personally, I don't think "the flood" actually happened. In which case, there was no genocide. I just mean to point out that a God who does not interfere with this universe may still exist and may still be good.I don't find such options likely, or rational with the information available to us, but it's still an option that shouldn't be rejected on the grounds of your personal incredulity.Basically, I agree with your conclusion, but I think your method of getting there is horribly irrational.

Hi, Greatest I Am. I find this to be an interesting statement.If I believe in a God, I believe in one that is not completely omnipotent. Therefore, said God has resource limitations. Such a God would have to decide how to divy up His resources among His creations.Would the fact that He chose to give His miracles to somebody else still make Him immoral?

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To debate this point one must concede to the notion that God is allowing the world to just go along in evil.Are we to assume this subjective statement as truth or do you have evidence to support the claim?Please support your assertion that evil is not being dealt with by God.

I -think- I am pleased we agree. many roads one destination.Regards
DL

To my knowledge, there are no miracles. Never saw one.If God is not omnipotent then is He God?That label is omni everything.Regards
DL