God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.

Evil is a human construct, human creation, human problem and human challenge. Humans define evil and create evil and have the capability to do evil or not do evil. Evil is not an absolute and depends on the society and era, the mythos of a culture.Evil should be addressed based on its context and within the ethos of a given culture.

And your evidence in support of that is? I'm not even sure that statement has any meaning?What might be an example of evil outside of humans?

Another one of those totally content free assertions. Does that even have any meaning?

Too funny.What does the evidence show? It seems that "evil" depends on the era and culture so unless God constantly changes the definition of evil to meet the expectations of a given culture at a given time then it is not a construct of any God. That might well be true but then again it would not be a construct of God and so again makes that question when asked of a God moot. LOLBut again, there is no sign that there is anything that is absolutely evil for all time and in all cases. It is the society that decides what is considered evil not the act itself. When a male lion kills cubs sired by some other male lion it is not evil. When a male human in a modern western country kills babies sired by some other male human it is considered evil.It is the property assigned by a human that determines whether or not an act is evil or not.

You keep bringing up utter nonsense and the worst to be found in the Bible Faith. But of course that is not what Jesus said and as always there are also passages to be found in the Bible that refute your position.

Sorry but again that simply does not seem to make any sense.Have you ever not9iced that God is almost always supporting both sides in a war?And how exactly can you tell if God is doing nothing?Is there anything inherently wrong with what we define as evil outside the context of our own definitions?

HUH?How does that show that God does nothing? Is it not a human that rapes another human?

I know you think that but cannot understand how you could think that.Your position just seems silly.If I do all that I can to teach my daughter how to avoid getting raped. provide her with weapons and knowledge of how to use those weapons, provide her with knowledge of situational assessment, yet she still gets raped then I do not see how anyone could say that I did nothing.

Well no, I do not think that.

Well I have given my reasoning repeatedly in this thread but I will certainly do so for you yet again if necessary.Evil is a human concept but whether or not something is evil depends on the unique definitions of a given era, society, culture.Even if you expand that to claim is is a property of intelligence it still depend on the unique definitions of the population in question. What is evil in one instance may not be evil in a different instance, society, era or cultureSince whether something is evil or not evil depends on the mores of a given instance, society, era or culture. Members of that particular society, era or culture may consider a particular instance as evil but members of a different society, era or culture may not see the same instance as evil.A God, if there is a god, is not a member of any given society, era or culture and so the norms of any given society, era or culture do not apply.If you are a member of a culture that believes it is necessary for your daughter to get raped for there to be a successful harvest then watching your daughter getting raped is not evil but rather noble.You (Stile) may well consider the above example as evil but that is only through the lens of your personal definition of what is evil and not a characteristic of the act itself.Need I expand or explain anything more for you or is that sufficient?

While so far I have not found any of the arguments supposed to show evil gods in this thread convincing, I can certainly imagine evil gods.Some popular depictions of Satan might be considered as evil even if not Biblical, and the God marketed by Calvin certainly qualifies as evil under almost any culture, era or society. There are gods like Apep who embodied chaos and so might with considerable stretching of definitions be considered evil.The God of Calvin though is IMHO the clearest example of evil, a God with foreknowledge that creates critters that are doomed to eternal punishment.But here as so often is the case, we find people that do not think the God of Calvin is evil.I fear that shows that evil really is simply a human construct and totally unrelated to facts or reality.

Yet you offer no evidence or justification for your belief. But your definition is simply the same silly one adopted by the Fundies, that somehow "our society, our feelings, our emotions of the time" are those of the God; that you are special.Why is one society's feelings and emotions superior or preferred to some other society's feeling and emotions? There yet again you simply post misrepresentations. You cannot agree with me on a point I have never made.Edited by jar, : hit wrong key

More utter nonsense and total misrepresentation as well as being totally inane.If God is evil according to some society that does not mean that god is evil to any honest and thinking person. It means that that society considers that God to be evil.

Too, too funny.That has been asked and answered many times in this thread.Whether or not I would be an evil person depends on what society, culture and era I happen to belong to and what society, culture and era the incident happened in.Sheesh.AbE:Also there could well be other factors not included in your little scenario that would change the answer regardless of what that answer happened to be.God, if God exists, is not a member of any particular society, culture or era.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

Because the two examples show no correspondence. The hypotheticals put forward so far simply show sophomoric thinking. There actually is a difference between doing things and not doing things.The God of Calvin actually does the evil things, creates living people that She knows She will condemn for all eternity.When Snidely Whiplash ties poor Nell to the tracks directly before the speeding train he is doing evil.When Dudley Do-Right kisses Horse instead of Nell he is not doing evil even in the world of parody.It would certainly be possible with just a little thought to make up a scenario like Calvin did where the God Character really is actively evil, but so far that has not been done here.But there is a bigger issue with hypotheticals in general that I pointed out several times in this thread and that needs to be made clear and that is that evil really is only valid within a particular context of society, culture, era and mores.God is not a member of a particular society, culture, era or mores. The evidence is pretty clear that each society, culture and era creates its own caricature of what God should be like, but we need to remember that they really are only caricatures and not one of us really has a clue what a real GOD would be like.That is why I try to make it clear that I am not talking about GOD when I describe a God or god rather it is the God created by Calvin or the God character in Genesis 1 or the God character found in Gensis 2&3. None of those really refer to GOD, that thing which I believe created the Heaven and Earth and all things seen and unseen.So can there be an evil God?I imagine so but also understand that I will be discussing only Gods and gods and not GOD.