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Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 390 (487036)
10-27-2008 8:52 AM


God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.
Many think that God can work miracles.
Looking about the world today many see evil happening everywhere. Children starving as the highest evil, all of us sinning as a lower evil.
I suggest that if a miracle working God is in existence and does nothing then He is acting in an immoral way. He should not be followed.
Debate.
Is God moral or immoral for allowing the world to just go along in evil?
Regards
DL

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Message 5 of 390 (487056)
10-27-2008 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
10-27-2008 10:01 AM


Re: Judging The Judge
God does not have any knowledge that is not available.
Yes, the judge should always be questioned.
Especially one, like the Biblical one, that breaks his own laws. Like killing. The flood.
Regards
DL

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Message 6 of 390 (487058)
10-27-2008 10:42 AM
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10-27-2008 10:36 AM


Re: Judging The Judge
Nice.
I am often chastized for saying genocide is good because God uses it.
God or any one else using genocide is evil.
Regards
DL

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Message 8 of 390 (487071)
10-27-2008 12:02 PM
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10-27-2008 11:37 AM


Re: So many unfounded and incorrect statements
Stile
Worthy judgments like the genocide of the flood?
If then, why not now?
His precedent of interfering is well known.
Regards
DL

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Message 14 of 390 (487093)
10-27-2008 4:53 PM
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Re: So many unfounded and incorrect statements
I -think- I am pleased we agree. many roads one destination.
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DL

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Message 15 of 390 (487094)
10-27-2008 4:57 PM
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10-27-2008 1:53 PM


To my knowledge, there are no miracles. Never saw one.
If God is not omnipotent then is He God?
That label is omni everything.
Regards
DL

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Message 16 of 390 (487095)
10-27-2008 4:59 PM
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10-27-2008 3:29 PM


When was the last time you saw God deal out justice?
I never have.
In religion, there is no evidence.
Regards
DL

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Message 22 of 390 (487166)
10-28-2008 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Blue Jay
10-27-2008 5:43 PM


Bluejay, message #12, writes:
Would the fact that He chose to give His miracles to somebody else still make Him immoral?
That would depend on the miracle. If He improves my car while allowing another to starve then yes that would be immoral on both our parts, if I had the power to refuse.
Regards
DL

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Message 23 of 390 (487167)
10-28-2008 10:36 AM
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10-27-2008 6:09 PM


Message 19 of 22
10-27-2008 06:09 PM Reply to: Message 16 by Greatest I am
10-27-2008 04:59 PM
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If you cannot support your assertion that evil is not being dealt with by God, I humbly request you provide an explanation concerning how a God may only be deemed moral and benevolent when and if He chooses to implement supernatural miracles to this end, as opposed to other lures in His tackle box, such as natural processes, etc..
Evil is not being dealt with because our children still die needlessly of starvation. This has been an ongoing issue for 2-3000 yrs. It seems our natural process has stalled.
Seeing this, if God can do something and does not then He is immoral and does not deserve our fellowship. If He wants to be important to us then we must be important to Him.
Regards
DL

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Message 25 of 390 (487239)
10-28-2008 9:47 PM
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10-28-2008 5:53 PM


Bailey
In an endless universe, all measurements are likely to be minute.
Regards
DL

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Message 27 of 390 (487275)
10-29-2008 12:20 PM
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10-29-2008 12:07 PM


If He was then we know where it is located.
Look out below.
Regards
DL

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Message 29 of 390 (487354)
10-30-2008 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by rueh
10-30-2008 8:31 AM


If not us then who. God is absent and cannot advise. To think He advises with death and not words is a strech of your thoughts.
As to numbers, the population grows daily by many. Many more than starve. If God wanted to impact our numbers then it would be more humane to decrease our ability to reproduce, not leave it as is and allow children to starve. Is that not a better way.
Regards
DL

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Message 31 of 390 (487369)
10-30-2008 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by rueh
10-30-2008 2:35 PM


Re: Straight from the mind of god brought to you by this guy
Food for a starving child is not quite -a little thing- but thanks for the comments.
Regards
DL

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Message 34 of 390 (487478)
10-31-2008 9:43 PM
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10-31-2008 12:47 PM


Re: Straight from the mind of god brought to you by this guy
Oh I give man all the blame. my God does not do miracles so I cannot blame Him.
As to my statement in the OP, a miracle working God could as you say, do even better by teaching the parents of the starving. If He can do miracles and does not teach them then He is just as immoral.
Regards
DL

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Message 35 of 390 (487479)
10-31-2008 9:45 PM


rueh
You are right, miracles are not what God uses to help man. Scripture shows that most of the time that He uses miracles, it is to kill us.
Regards
DL

  
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