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Author Topic:   God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.
Bailey
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Message 13 of 390 (487086)
10-27-2008 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
10-27-2008 8:52 AM


GIA writes:
Is God moral or immoral for allowing the world to just go along in evil?
To debate this point one must concede to the notion that God is allowing the world to just go along in evil.
Are we to assume this subjective statement as truth or do you have evidence to support the claim?
Please support your assertion that evil is not being dealt with by God.

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Message 19 of 390 (487112)
10-27-2008 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Greatest I am
10-27-2008 4:59 PM


If you cannot support your assertion that evil is not being dealt with by God, I humbly request you provide an explanation concerning how a God may only be deemed moral and benevolent when and if He chooses to implement supernatural miracles to this end, as opposed to other lures in His tackle box, such as natural processes, etc..

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Bailey
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Message 21 of 390 (487123)
10-27-2008 6:56 PM
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10-27-2008 6:28 PM


Thank you for your reply Bluejay.
It could be construed as a miracle to some that different groups masquerading under the guise of God's assistants, are consistently allocating what may or may not be considered a miraculous amount of resources towards the end of feeding these helpless beings.
When this was done in another Judaic scripture that basically identifies the means of which the act was done as mystery, it constituted a miracle.
Both parties are being fed in God's name, tho they do not earn their bread ...
How do the two feedings differ?

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Bailey
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Message 24 of 390 (487225)
10-28-2008 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Greatest I am
10-28-2008 10:36 AM


Thank you for the reply GIA.
GIA writes:
Bailey writes:
If you cannot support your assertion that evil is not being dealt with by God, I humbly request you provide an explanation concerning how a God may only be deemed moral and benevolent when and if He chooses to implement supernatural miracles to this end, as opposed to other lures in His tackle box, such as natural processes, etc..
Evil is not being dealt with because our children still die needlessly of starvation. This has been an ongoing issue for 2-3000 yrs. It seems our natural process has stalled.
We are the natural processes whether the charity of humans is regarded as miraculous or otherwise. As you point out in another post, humans will not go extint - they will evolve. I agree, but question our collective motivations to this end. We chose the alternate path of knowledge and if God Is then he will work with us. Perhaps human evolution has stalled or man is not applying his knowledge properly.
Seeing this, if God can do something and does not then He is immoral and does not deserve our fellowship. If He wants to be important to us then we must be important to Him.
Your last point is good.
Many have eaten, yet not earned their bread tho.
Some through charity and others through corruption.
If we can question the charity as a miracle, we should also question 3000 years in the face of eternity.
Just a mist, and then it is gone.
Edited by Bailey, : spelling

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Bailey
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Message 26 of 390 (487274)
10-29-2008 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Greatest I am
10-28-2008 9:47 PM


Thank you for the reply GIA ...
GIA writes:
Bailey writes:
GIA writes:
Evil is not being dealt with because our children still die needlessly of starvation. This has been an ongoing issue for 2-3000 yrs.
If we can question the charity as a miracle, we should also question 3000 years in the face of eternity.
In an endless universe, all measurements are likely to be minute.
By applying your assertion, which I find agreeable, it shall follow that any measurement of neglect on God's behalf is also minute.
Respectively, if the duration of our universe was a mere 300,000 years, and God starved us for 3000 of them, He will have starved us 1% of our time.
If I feed you 99% of the time, does this make me an incompetent, immoral, sadist?
He may have been using His cosmic toilet at that moment ...
I will not fault Him for that.

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Bailey
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Message 33 of 390 (487472)
10-31-2008 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Greatest I am
10-30-2008 8:38 AM


... moments He chooses ...
GIA writes:
Bailey writes:
If I feed you 99% of the time, does this make me an incompetent, immoral, sadist?
He may have been using His cosmic toilet at that moment ...
I will not fault Him for that.
If He was then we know where it is located.
Look out below.
lol - nearly spit my coffee out here.
Suited up as well just in case ...
God is absent and cannot advise
He advised against the Tree of knowledge.
Fortunately, we didn't abide to that end.
Unfortunately, we apply knowledge inefficiently.
Yet, naturally, knowledge will continue to increase.
To think He advises with death and not words is a strech of thoughts.
Completely ...
As to numbers, the population grows daily by many. Many more than starve. If God wanted to impact our numbers then it would be more humane to decrease our ability to reproduce, not leave it as is and allow children to starve.
Man has the knowledge of good and evil at his disposal.
Benevolence expects him to employ the good primarily.
Mankind, of course, is not required to do so at this time.
It remains, the planet sustains more than enough food for all on board.
Miracles may be reserved for the moments man cannot be there ...
As opposed to the moments he chooses not too.
If Eithopia relocated to Wisconsin, it may very well flourish.
Perhaps not, but with our vast resources and technologies there is obviously a way.
Our commitment for the pursuit of knowledge allows many transport options.
Practically unweighable amounts of food sit in the storehouses.
When chasing and collecting gold become less important than humanity everyone eats.
Is that not a better way.
The God allows it at times as well seemingly.
Perhaps He is not communist 100 % of the time.
Edited by Bailey, : spelling

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