God is evil if He has miracles and does not use them.

Calvinism.Every single thing comes from the Will of God. God determined how the Universe is run. How impotent is your God? He made the creation the way it is.

Okay, then His Moral Law and nature involves letting evil run rampant... which is the point being made.

Yeah, He makes them gay and then smites them for being gay.What a jerk.

God both foreknew and set-up The Fall to happen according to His Will, so yes, He ultimately is responsible for it... as He is responsible for everything.You need to brush up on your Calvinism.

Except for banning slavery. No, he couldn't have done that

Wait, what happened to this:

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God wisely takes people where they are. They wouldn't listen to Him if He told them to give up their slaves.

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If its giving up slaves, and people can't do it, then God wisely takes them where they are.But the fact that he's too pure for us, and we can never be righteous enough to please Him, well that is going to make us burn in hell forever.Why doesn't he "take us where we are"? What happened to that?Why does he only do that for slavery?

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Just a few more tweaks and you've got yourself the Garden of Eden...

That, or program his robots better Did you know that the Bible never actually says that its an apple? Its just fruit.I don't even know where the whole apple thing came from...

I think her breathing has stopped... Yup, grandma is dead.SHIT, RUN SHE'S ON FIRE!

You know how when you're watching nat geo and the predator is going after the prey, how if you were there watching it in RL and filming it then you'd feel like you'd want to interfere and stop the violence, but you really wouldn't if you were just there to just observe it, plus if you save the prey then you're hurting the predator so then you kinda realize that you don't really want to "play God".Maybe God avoids being evil by not playing God. You might still call that evil, but I think you understand not interfering with the predator/prey thing if you really want to do no harm. You can't fuck it up if you don't touch it.Now, omnipotence would mean that God would know exactly how good and evil he's made it. And in that case its really not worth you judging it because it just is what it is: as God wills it. Even your judging of it is just how he wants you to make it Within these premises, the only way to stop God from being evil is to limit His power.It might help you to think of how God could be good maybe if you limit the power in a way where he doesn't really know exactly how good and evil His actions are going to make it. (P.S. There might be a good argument for that based on there being a lack of knowledge of the future as an allowable limit even to omnipotence) And in that case I think you may begin to understand how being hands-off doesn't have to actually be evil. The more hands-on you are the more chances you have of fucking it up and making it evil.And in that case, if He did put his hands on it and try to stop the violence in effort to going away from evil, then I think that would become more admirable as the risk gets higher for Him. Again it depends on just how much of a limit on the all powerfulness you're willing to considering.It also depends on the reason for the violence. The predator/prey relationship is easy to understand not stopping the violence.Rape, not so much. I don't actually have a solution within the premises of your Problem of Evil.But, can you entertain any limits to the all powerfulness?I don't think a good God could really be all powerful, like really truly ALL powerful, as you say that just doesn't work.Maybe a slight limit on knowing the exact ramifications of His actions can help you construct a God that could be good in the absence of action against what you think it evil. Well, if that why you're trying to do.If you're happy with what you've accomplished, well then I don't think this is the first time I've agreed with you about this.I supposed you were looking for an argument, and I thought of this while watching nat geo and figured I'd offer it to you.So... Cheers, Stile.P.P.S. Are you still playing FF14? I'm waiting for GTAV on PC, you gonna get in on that?

But He also says that He is jealous, and vengeful. And He's really into genocide.Those things aren't good.

So which side of the Problem of Evil are you on?Does got not have the power to stop it? Or does he not care enough to stop it?

An omnipotent god that cared enough to stop evil would change the situation.Not changing the situation would mean that he didn't care enough.Sure, maybe he cares a lot, but its not enough to stop it. Well that's just a cop-out The other option is that since he really is ALL-powerful, then he has the power to be omnipotent, and good, and also let evil exist, all simultaneously without contradiction, for some inexplicable reasons that we cannot understand.But that a pretty lame answer too. Well, its simple deductive logic. That's enough information to make a conclusion.You have to break the logic to get out of the conundrum - which is what I'm calling lame... or a cop-out.

The argument doesn't require complete knowledge about God. It is a simple exercise in deductive logic. Sure, but the argument would be like this:Being wet is the property of having no resistance to shear stress.
Water has no resistance to shear stress.
Therefore water is wet.That also does not require having complete knowledge about water. It is a simple exercise in deductive logic. Because the argument doesn't actually require full knowledge of the situation.The existence of evil is logically incompatible with a God that is both omnipotent and omnibenevolent.You cannot be all-powerful and all-good and also allow evil to exist.If you are all-powerful and you let evil exist, then you are not ALL-good.If you are all-good and evil still exist, then you are not ALL-powerful enough to stop it. So, since you cannot deny the logical deduction, instead you are claiming that we can't really know stuff like this about God.Perhaps God just breaks logic.So, maybe water really isn't wet. Since we cannot know everything about water, we cannot conclude that it is wet because maybe it breaks logic.Sorry, but that's a cop-out. Actually, Stile admitted just that. Even if God, for some illogical reason, actually doesn't really count as being evil, under these conditions (the premises that he is both omnipotent and omnibenevolent) we can conclude that he is evil for allowing evil to exist.Now, being evil does not mean that he cannot also be good. He's just evil too. And He's admitted as much:"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."