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WHAT?I mean, WHAT?Where, in any universe, did you get such a crazy idea?In Message 1095 you asked, "Which of the other 8 Commandments can we toss away if we truly love others?" and I replied in Message 1102 that, "The rather obvious one is murder."How can you possibly get from that that I think it is now acceptable to murder?I said that we don't "need" a commandment against murder because most of us never murder anyway. So yes, we can throw that commandment away. If there was a commandment against hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer, we could throw that one away too. It's an unnecessary commandment.Learn to read.

And you're usually wrong about what it says.
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Ringo, you say that I am usually wrong about my
interpretations of Bible passages.I am going to give you the opportunity to correct me.In Psalms 146: 4, David stated about those who die:"His breath goes forth, he returns to his earth; in that
very day his thoughts perish."Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know
that they will die: but the dead know not anything."Tell us what this means, please.Also Solomon wrote in vs. 10 "Whatsoever thy hand finds
to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device
(contrivance, reasoning, intelligence,...), nor knowledge,
nor wisdom, in the grave where thou goeth."What do these passages say about the dead?

Which is it? Am I going to correct you or are you going to correct me?Try to be coherent.

Ringo, just as I thought. You have no idea at all what
these verses mean.It doesn't really matter, though.I simply wanted to show how little you understand about
the Bible.

Is there a code too?

Actually, for an ex-believer, ringo understands the Bible quite well. And everytime I try and google information pertaining to something you are preaching, I see your church in the search results. Which means that we understand the Bible quite well. Its your church and its teachings (peculiar to them in regards of emphasis) that we ostensibly have trouble with. They have turned you into a parrot.Added:
I looked up just one of the scriptures that you quoted at ringo.
The search engine took me to a website known as Vision.org. Is the Soul Immortal?I poked around a bit to see where vision.org got their vision.About VisionLo and behold!

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Vision.org is sponsored and funded by the Church of God, an International Community. The Church does not intend this site to convert readers to its beliefs, nor do we use it to solicit membership. We offer it as a viewpoint in the broader discussion of ideas. The Church has no social or political agenda and does not attempt to influence the political process in any country where it operates. Our message is simple: it is one of hope in a better world to come.

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The Church traces its origins via Sabbatarian roots in 17th-century Europe to the first-century New Testament Church at Jerusalem. Accordingly, it endeavors to uphold the original practice and teachings of Jesus Christ and His followers. It has members around the world and operational centers in Australia, Canada, Germany, the Philippines, South Africa, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States.

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As part of its mission, the Church places great emphasis on taking care of its members, offering them spiritual guidance and support. Its goal is to provide a community where all those who commit to the ideals and values of the organization can grow in grace and knowledge and develop godly character.

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Fair enough...but I am an inquisitive sort of a guy. So I looked further. The Church of God,InternationalWhere they say:

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It is our desire to be a beacon of hope in a world full of chaos. As followers of Jesus Christ, our mission is to evangelize every community with the absolute truth of God’s Word.

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The problem, candle, is that you are trying to evangelize EvC with the truths that your church teaches you. They never let me off the hook, and im sure you reacted in horror when I decided to take a free online philosophy course.Most Christians that I know wouldn't do it.Granted I wont be throwing my beliefs away anytime soon.My point, however, is that if you feel it is your mission to teach here at this forum, you need to throw away what you have been taught and stick to what *you* believe based on your daily interaction with Jesus Christ. Thats my 2 cents, anyway.

Phat, what you want me to believe is that all who do not
come to Christ during their lifetime, including those who
have never heard of Jesus, are doomed to hell forever?You want me to believe in a literal burning hell where the
lost scream in pain for eternity, without any love and
compassion from God?And, you want me to believe that a living God would do
this?You want me to believe if someone died and went to
heaven at death that that person would be overcome
with joy, while those left are grieving?You want me to believe that a single mom who is taken
to heaven can rejoice over her two young daughters being
placed with relatives who abuse them?You want me to believe that God Is a combination of
three beings. And that the one called the Holy Spirit is
actually the Father of Jesus, but they pretend that God
the Father is?Or that God is one being with three personalities?You want me to believe that God allows such enormous
pain and suffering without there being an end-time benefit
to it?Some of the biggest agnostics who have ever lived believed
these assertionsBecause of these beliefs they hated God.I used to believe these lies, and they never gave me
comfort. I would have killed God myself if I could have.It would be impossible to love God, if He were like this.

Well this is interesting.You think that thinking is dangerous? Christians are frightened of thinking? They think that if you can think properly - and by properly I mean rationally logically, and in a straight line - you'll lose your faith? What a crock of shit that is.Surely a faith can stand up comfortably to reason?If not, is it just for the ignorant, uneducated, gullible and mindless?
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[waves hands in the air]Ooo! Ooo! Call on me! I know! I know!Yes.Do I get a cookie?

Faith.
Hilarious.
I need to start using that.

Tangle, it isn't thinking that concerns Christians.
Thinking is a good thing.I took two philosophy classes at Murray State.And, the circles and diagrams can be very beneficial
for teaching attorneys to make one think they said one
thing while meaning the opposite.God tell His followers to prove everything.So you just go ahead and keep thinking.

Have you proved god?

Of course, she's the Tooth Fairy. Whenever you find a quarter under your pillow you know she was there.

Well that's all very reassuring candle, so can you now answer the logic question I asked you a few pages ago?

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If god is able to create a place where evil and suffering doesn't exist and freewill doesn't seem to be a stumbling block ie heaven, why has he made evil and suffering here?
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