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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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darkness-emitting-candle, your MAGAt-infested mind has an extremely distorted and false sense of history. So then science and reality are not the only things you don't know?
Dwise, the Democratic Party is responsible for Jim Crow laws. OK, I've heard this bullshit from MAGAts before. Let's review the actual history, not your stupid bullshit. To start with, you are overlooking a very small part of US history, so small that went right past you without you noticing it: the Twentieth Century, plus the stupid BS the GOP has been pulling for the past few decades. But the biggest bullshit moment lies in the simple fact that while the Democratic Party has changed immensely since then, all the bad racist attitudes and practices have transferred to the current Republican Party. You hypocrite! We started with the Democratic-Republican Party ("The Party of Jefferson") and the Federalist Party in the 1790's, with the Democratic-Republicans gaining in prominence with the collapse of the Federalists after the 1800 elections. In 1824, the Democratic-Republican Party splintered into the Democratic Party and the Whig Party. The Whig Party collapsed in the mid-1850's leading to the Republican Party. It should be noted that up until this point no party took a strong position on slavery and were divided on the issue. The exception was the Republican Party, which, unlike its Whig predecessor, it was strongly anti-slavery since it had formed as that issue was starting to boil over. I'm not sure of what percentage of the South had been Whig, but it would make sense that not many Southern Whigs would have joined the new Republican Party. That would have left the Civil War South primarily Democratic leading into and through the Civil War. Then since Reconstruction was being imposed on the South by the Republicans (and hence would be seen as an invading tyranny), the Republicans were unable to recruit many new party members in the South until the mid-20th Century and beyond (ie, that black hole in your sense of history). Lincoln got Reconstruction started, but his predecessor, Andrew Johnson, did not want to support it but rather applied his own weaker version (which I seem to recall was part of the reason for his impeachment). Johnson had been a Democrat, but he remained loyal to the Union so Lincoln chose him as his running mate in the 1864 election as a unifying gesture (Johnson did not rejoin the Democrats). It was under Johnson, officially a Republican administration, that the South started passing Black Codes (though the "Jim Crow" era didn't actually start until Republican Rutherford Hayes' election). Johnson was succeeded by Republican Ulysses S. Grant who tried to get Lincoln's Reconstruction plans back on track. He served two terms and was succeeded in 1866 by Republican Republican Rutherford Hayes who came to office through a coalition-deal with Southern Democrats to end Reconstruction, which he did. So it was the Republicans who were responsible for stopping Reconstruction prematurely and for turning their backs on the situation of the blacks in the South. And blacks moving north also faced discrimination and violence from Republicans as well as Democrats. Indeed, as the Second Klan spread north and west, its membership included Republicans. A lot happened over the next several decades in which the Democratic Party developed into basically two factions: a liberal party in the North concerned with people's rights and welfare and economic opportunities and the hide-bound Southern party (AKA "Dixie-crats"). Under FDR (in large part through through the influence of Eleanor Roosevelt) racial equality came more to the forefront. But the breaking point was LBJ's Civil Rights Act (1964) and Voting Rights Act (1965) which made the Dixie-crats feel that the party had betrayed and abandoned them. From this and the 1950's/60's desegregation orders and the elimination of "Jim Crow" laws (primarily by federal-level Democrats and the civil rights movement, the GOP developed its Southern Strategy by consciously appealing to many white Southerners' racial grievances in order to gain their support, basically offering them in the GOP a new home for racists. Which is what the GOP has become (so they kept their promise with the Devil). Of course, there was also Reagan who pulled in the "Radical Religions Right" whose head, Jerry Falwell, had triggered the big anti-abortion drive in order to build up a political block to fight school desegregation -- before then, fundamentalists had not taken any position on abortion because "well, that's a Catholic issue, not ours!" That is what brought the Christian Nationalists into the GOP, though under the name of the RRR's political mentors, the Christian Reconstructionists. So regardless of how these evils had originated, the chickens have all come to roost in their current home, The GQP. If you consider those things to be so evil that you will blame others for them, then why are you not ashamed of being the present home and promoter of those same evils? They are also responsible for lynchings; poll taxes; the KKK; the re-emergence of the KKK; lynchings: ... Yes, the death threats and acts of violence to terrorize the population into compliance. That is what Republicans are doing. Do you agree that those acts of terrorism are evil? "poll taxes", AKA voter suppression. Who's doing that now? Republicans! Democrats are trying to ensure that all franchised voters, everybody who qualifies to vote, is able to. Republicans don't want to allow us to vote. Furthermore, they are actively making laws to allow state legislatures to override the outcome of the votes while running key state candidates who will rig the elections for the Republicans. Why? Because what the Republicans propose is so unpopular with the voters that the only way they can win is by cheating. Do you agree that voter suppression is evil? The KKK (and its reemergence). White supremacy. The first and third resurgences were largely based on race, but the second one that really caught national attention also promoted hatred of Jews and Catholics. It's now solidly Republican. Do you agree that racism and white supremacist terrorism are evil?
Really? Because you don't look very convinced that they are evil.
You are going to feel like a total fool before long. I guarantee it. Nope. And you do know why? Because I do not fall for the stupid bullshit that you do. Every time you post anything here, you post so many stupid bullshit lies that it takes several replies to respond properly. And, oh, I will respond. BTW, still no actual "problems with radiocarbon dating"? Why am I not surprised?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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candle2 writes: Dwise, the Democratic Party is responsible for Jim Crowlaws. It was the conservatives in the Democratic Party who did that. They left the Democratic party when the Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act. Guess where they went? The Republican party where they had like minded conservatives. The only reason that conservatives were not in the Republican party before that is because it was the Party of Lincoln, and their southern prejudices would not allow them to be Republicans. It was the liberals that that ended Jim Crow, and they did so by defeating the conservatives in the votes for the Civil Rights Act.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Dwise, tell me, and be specific, what current voting laws
are biased against blacks, but not whites.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Taq, make a list of all the racist Democrats who left the
Party after passage of the CRA and the became Republicans.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Taq, since Biden has been in office fuel prices
have doubled and tripled. The price of food has doubled, as well asother commodities. Biden is quick to throw the less fortunate underthe bus. I see no concern and no compassion in his eyes. Blacks, elderly, and those with limited incomesare having a really difficult time, with no end in sight. Do you think the less fortunate deserve betterthan this?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
You ASKED and I didn't answer. I don't think I need to answer. People can decide for themselves who is thinking clearly.
Ringo, my mistake. l said that you were retarded, but.you prefer mentally challenged. candle2 writes:
Why don't you just say something intelligent for a change?
Why don't we just shorten it to MC? candle2 writes:
It's a human zygote, a human embryo, a human fetus, a human newborn, a human infant, a human toddler, a human tween, a human teenager, a human adult and a human geriatric. On a continum from a zygote to geriatric (aged),we have an embryo; fetus; newborn; infant; toddler; tween; teenager; and, adult. At what stage of development is the individual not human? Now show us the law that says killing a zygote is murder.
candle2 writes:
How do they scream without air? Some workers who have left this line of work havesaid that they heard the baby scream in pain while being scrambled to death. YOU should be asking that question instead of just swallowing the accusation hook, line and sinker.
candle2 writes:
Sure, the parts that are true (if any) bother me, AH. My question is why does this not bother you, MC? Were you under the impression that I'm in favor of abortion?
candle2 writes:
Why are YOU so cold and heartless about the 12-year-old who was raped and might die if she is forced to carry the baby to birth?
Why so cold and heartless about the most vulnerableof us who have no way to protect themselves? candle writes:
Jesus wasn't born until 6000 years after the supposed creation. Paul was just trying to make a case that Jesus was God.
You say that Paul was wrong about Jesus creatingeverything. candle2 writes:
God.
Well, according to the Bible, who did then createeverything? candle2 writes:
I asked you point-blank and you didn't say no. I never said that a woman who has an abortionshould be executed. So, does that mean you're against capital punishment in general? Or does it mean you were full of shit when you called abortion murder?
candle2 writes:
But it's okay to kill the 12-year-old who was raped?
I also believe it it wrong to kill a baby who ison the lower end of the human continuum who is conceived by rape. candle2 writes:
You used to. We're trying to drag you kicking and screaming even farther into civilization.
We do not even execute the rapist. candle2 writes:
Which is what we're talking about.
The only reason I could see for an abortion isif the continued pregnancy puts the life of mother or both at a huge risk. candle2 writes:
But you're preaching a simplistic solution that ignores the rare circumstances. But, these situations are quite rare.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, you say that God created everything. I am going to
force you to defend that position in a series of questions . Who is Melchisedec in Hebrews 7. He is without father,without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; Abraham gave Him a tenth of all he owned.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, Exodus 24: 9-10
"Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu,and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel:..." Who did they see?
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Ringo, who was speaking to whom in Genesis 3:23?
"And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become asone of us..."
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Ostensibly the other angels and Satan of course. Kinda like in Job. Other apologists say that God was speaking to His own Trinity, but I like the first explanation better.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I see where your argument is going.
Here it is proposed that Melchizedek is Jesus Christ. Melchizedek, as Jesus Christ, lives, preaches, dies and is resurrected, in a gnostic perspective. The Coming of the Son of God Melchizedek speaks of his return to bring peace, supported by God, and he is a priest-king who dispenses justice. Jesus was in the beginning with God and was God. Ringo disagrees and claims that in the beginning was the Word (message) which ringo has perverted into a socialist ideal. He defends his assertion by claiming that Jesus told us to give it all up. I finally agreed with him in that we are to give up all of our heart and mind to the Lord, but ringo claims that it is our stuff that God wants us to spread among all people (like good little socialists.) Of course, I disagree with his assessment that a true Christian needs to give up all materialistic gain of himself and spread it among the people. Likely, ringo was influenced by Mennonite teaching and yet is now no longer a Christian. He uses this excuse to defend why he himself need not give it all up. In other words, ringo tries to play both sides of the argument."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Phat, Melchisedec is the same individual as Jesus
Christ. This is just one more example of Jesus' prior existencebefore allowing Himself to be born as a human. People run from passages that they have no answer for.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Ringo, if Jesus never existed before His human birth,
why did He say this in John 17:5 "And now, 0 Father, glorify thou me with thine own selfwith the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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candle2 writes: Taq, since Biden has been in office fuel priceshave doubled and tripled. Yes. This is a combination between the war in Ukraine and inflation caused by money that was pumped into the market to prevent a recession during pandemic lockdowns. Would you rather have had another Great Depression, because that is where we were headed.
Biden is quick to throw the less fortunate under the bus. I see no concern and no compassion in his eyes. How so?
Blacks, elderly, and those with limited incomes are having a really difficult time, with no end in sight. Yes. Pandemics and the resulting economic effects can and do have disproportionate effects on the poor. Biden helped ease some of those problems through several programs during the recovery from the initial lockdowns, such as direct payments and rent assistance.
Do you think the less fortunate deserve better than this? Yes, but Republicans will block any such legislation.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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candle2 writes:
Taq, make a list of all the racist Democrats who left theParty after passage of the CRA and the became Republicans. You need to familiarize yourself with history:
quote: Strom Thurmond is the prime example, and there are many, many more. The South once voted solidly Democratic, but now it votes solidly Republican, and that started after the passing of the Civil Rights Act and the defection of the Dixiecrats from the Democratic party to the Republican party. It's not a big secret.
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