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candle2
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Message 751 of 1864 (900533)
10-28-2022 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 747 by Taq
10-27-2022 7:01 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Taq, isn't it also interesting that Conservatives took a hard
look at slavery and affirmed that it was a moral sin.
The Conservatives did not own slaves; so, should they have
stayed out of it, and allowed the issue to be determined by
the slaves and their owners?
Do you think that owning slaves is a far worse sin than
murdering helpless little babies.
Do you think that a man who is promiscuous and
impregnates a woman should be held accountable for
his actions?

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ringo
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Message 752 of 1864 (900535)
10-28-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 751 by candle2
10-28-2022 12:11 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
candle2 writes:
The Conservatives did not own slaves;
That is not true.
quote:
Enslavers came from all parts of the political spectrum. The Post’s database includes lawmakers who were members of more than 60 political parties. Federalists, Whigs, Unionists, Populists, Progressives, Prohibitionists and dozens more: All those parties included slaveholders. source

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Taq
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Message 753 of 1864 (900536)
10-28-2022 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 751 by candle2
10-28-2022 12:11 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
candle2 writes:
Taq, isn't it also interesting that Conservatives took a hard
look at slavery and affirmed that it was a moral sin.
That sounds entirely made up.
Do you think that owning slaves is a far worse sin than
murdering helpless little babies.
I think owning slaves is far worse than aborting a fetus.
Do you think that a man who is promiscuous and
impregnates a woman should be held accountable for
his actions?
Such men are held accountable, and I support such laws and policies. Child support is a good idea.
But it does take two to tango, as the old saying goes. Women aren't innocent victims (except in cases where consent is not given or is compromised).

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candle2
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Message 754 of 1864 (900538)
10-28-2022 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 750 by ringo
10-28-2022 12:01 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, you wrote should a twelve year old girl who is
raped be executed too.
Are you retarded? I am serious. Are you retarded?
I never said that anyone should be executed because
they were raped.
We don't even execute the rapist. Why would you think
that we should execute the woman who was raped,
especially a 12 year old child?
Less than one percent of abortions are performed in
order to save the mother's life.
This particular situation is between the woman; her
husband, if she has one; and, God.
In the case of rape, we do not even execute the rapist.
Why would anyone recommend killing the baby, who
did nothing wrong?
Are there any murders of babies that you are against?
Sometimes I get the feeling that you have poor reading
skills.
Tell me, if you can read, does Ephesians 3:8-10 mention
God creating all things by Jesus Christ.
If it does then stop saying that Jesus did not create all
things. But be honest.

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candle2
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Message 755 of 1864 (900542)
10-28-2022 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 753 by Taq
10-28-2022 12:39 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Taq, you say that men who behave irresponsibility
should be held accountable for their actions.
Why shouldn't a woman who is promiscuous be held to
the same standard?
Also, tell me when a fetus inside a woman is not human.
Check your history books. The Republican party did not
exists before Lincoln.
The Republican Party, took us back to the Constitution,
that all men are created equal

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ringo
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Message 756 of 1864 (900544)
10-28-2022 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 754 by candle2
10-28-2022 12:44 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
candle2 writes:
Are you retarded? I am serious. Are you retarded?
We say "intellectually challenged" now. My brother used to coach a Special Olympics track team and he said that "we" should be more like "them". I've met a lot of the team members and I tend to agree.
candle2 writes:
I never said that anyone should be executed because
they were raped.
You seem to be in favor of executing women who have abortions. Are you or are you not?
And how is it different if the woman was raped? Is it not still "murder"?
candle2 writes:
We don't even execute the rapist. Why would you think
that we should execute the woman who was raped,
especially a 12 year old child?
Because she had an abortion, which you call "murder".
candle2 writes:
Less than one percent of abortions are performed in
order to save the mother's life.
So what? If abortion is "murder", then she's a murderer, even if she had the abortion to save her life.
candle2 writes:
This particular situation is between the woman; her
husband, if she has one; and, God.
Why isn't EVERY situation between the woman, her husband, if she has one, and God? Why do you have to stick your nose in?
candle2 writes:
Are there any murders of babies that you are against?
I'm against all murders of babies. But abortion is not considered murder in any civilized society.
candle2 writes:
Tell me, if you can read...
If I couldn't read, how do you think we got this far, genius?
candle2 writes:
...does Ephesians 3:8-10 mention
God creating all things by Jesus Christ.
It does. What has that got to do with abortion?
candle2 writes:
If it does then stop saying that Jesus did not create all
things. But be honest.
I am honest. Paul was wrong.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Taq
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Message 757 of 1864 (900547)
10-28-2022 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 755 by candle2
10-28-2022 12:57 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
candle2 writes:
Taq, you say that men who behave irresponsibility
should be held accountable for their actions.
I think all people should be held accountable for being irresponsible, not just men. At the same time, accountability can mean many things. It can mean being held accountable by your family or friends. It can also mean being held accountable by a boss at work. It can also mean being held accountable by a court of law.
Why shouldn't a woman who is promiscuous be held to
the same standard?
Men and women should be held to the same standards.
Also, tell me when a fetus inside a woman is not human.
It's a tough spectrum to define, but I don't think a fetus a couple of months old is human in the same way you and I are.
Check your history books. The Republican party did not
exists before Lincoln.
Conservatives and Republicans weren't synonyms at that point in history.

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ringo
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Message 758 of 1864 (900548)
10-28-2022 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 755 by candle2
10-28-2022 12:57 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
candle2 writes:
The Republican Party, took us back to the Constitution,
that all men are created equal
Abraham Lincoln would weep if he saw the thugs in the Republican Party today.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Phat
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Message 759 of 1864 (900622)
10-29-2022 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 756 by ringo
10-28-2022 1:05 PM


Wrong Until Further Notice
ringo writes:
I am honest. Paul was wrong.
The hubris is strong in this one!
How about just a short list.
Name 5 specific things that the Apostle Paul was wrong about.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 760 of 1864 (900626)
10-29-2022 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 758 by ringo
10-28-2022 1:31 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
candle2 writes:
The Republican Party, took us back to the Constitution,
that all men are created equal
Abraham Lincoln would weep if he saw the thugs in the Republican Party today.
Republicans still crow that they're "The Party of Lincoln", but they stopped being that about 145 years ago with Republican President Rutherford Hayes' election in 1876 in large part through support from the South in exchange for bringing Reconstruction to a premature end, thus ending the "Party of Lincoln". U.S. Grant was the last Republican president to still support Reconstruction, but now the South was free to pass "Jim Crow" laws to promote inequality, meaning that candle2's lie, "that all men are created equal", is just that, a lie. Just as 06 Jan 2021 exposes his lie about the GOP "[taking] us back to the Constitution".
For that matter, I cannot think of a single Republican president after Grant who did anything good for the country. Indeed, the pattern this past half century has been one of the Republicans destroying the economy so that the next president, a Democrat, had to clean up their mess (with zero support and active resistance from the Republicans). Checking the figures makes it abundantly clear that the economy always does better under the Democrats than under the Republicans.
Though I can think of one exception to that rule: President Eisenhower. But he doesn't really count since he wasn't very political -- both parties tried to recruit him as a presidential nominee. Rather, he had been an effective general and applied those pragmatic skills to his new duty assignment.
Ike's best known achievement was the Interstate Highway System. Most people claim that he got the idea from seeing Germany's Autobahn system how it had functioned in military transportation during the war, but they forget the lessons brevet Lt.Col. Eisenhower learned from his participation in the 1919 1919 Motor Transport Corps convoy. That convoy drove over 3,000 mi on the historic Lincoln Highway from Washington, D.C., to Oakland, California and then by ferry over to end in San Francisco. It took them 56 days to complete the journey due to the bad roads and the need to stop and repair the many bridges (14 in Wyoming alone) that they either broke or else were in such obviously bad condition as to be unusable. As President, Ike was able to put his experience to good use in promoting the Interstate Highway System as a military priority.
Now under a Democrat we finally have an infrastructure law to repair and improve what Ike had built, contrasting with an endless parade of "nothing-burger" "infrastructure weeks" under Trump. The Trump administration with its wild promises and zero delivery on those promises was like a joke I read in that teen magazine, Playboy (paraphrased from memory of a single reading more than half a century ago):
quote:
A woman goes to her new gynecologist for her first exam with him. Although she's been married three times, he is astonished to discover that she's still a virgin. Her explanation is that her first two husbands were absent all the time (I can only remember that one of them was a fireman), but her third husband delivers the punchline. Her third husband was a great salesman. He would spend all evening selling her on how incredibly great the sex would be, but then never delivered the goods.
That just seems to sum up Trump so well: all boast, no show.

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ringo
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Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 761 of 1864 (900679)
10-30-2022 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 759 by Phat
10-29-2022 3:54 PM


Re: Wrong Until Further Notice
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Paul was wrong.
The hubris is strong in this one!
No hubris about it. Jesus wasn't born until millennia after the creation, so Paul was clearly wrong to associate Him with it.
Phat writes:
Name 5 specific things that the Apostle Paul was wrong about.
Since you don't answer most of what I post, I don't feel obligated to answer everything you demand.
If you want to discuss Paul being wrong, there's already an example on the table.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Phat
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Message 762 of 1864 (900682)
10-30-2022 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 761 by ringo
10-30-2022 2:17 PM


Re: Wrong Until Further Notice
Jesus may have been born after the fact, but His birth was simply the point at which He stepped out of eternity into time. Imagine the God of the universe...Creator of all seen and unseen (including all of your cultural and mythological gods, spaghetti monsters, bigfeets, and numerous deities of various cultures originating in the minds of men) being a vulnerable human baby who poops his pants and has to be cared for by a Mother and Father? No wonder scripture shows us numerous attempts to wipe him out before he was even born.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 763 of 1864 (900687)
10-30-2022 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 762 by Phat
10-30-2022 2:25 PM


Re: Wrong Until Further Notice
Phat writes:
Jesus may have been born after the fact, but His birth was simply the point at which He stepped out of eternity into time.
You're making that up.
Phat writes:
No wonder scripture shows us numerous attempts to wipe him out before he was even born.
Give five examples.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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candle2
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Message 764 of 1864 (900797)
10-31-2022 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 756 by ringo
10-28-2022 1:05 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ringo, my mistake. l said that you were retarded, but.
you prefer mentally challenged. Why don't we just
shorten it to MC?
On a continum from a zygote to geriatric (aged),
we have an embryo; fetus; newborn; infant;
toddler; tween; teenager; and, adult.
At what stage of development is the individual
not human?
Several babies have survived outside the mother's
womb at the tender age of 21 weeks.
We can detect a heartbeat by the 6th week.
Babies can respond to touch by opening and
closing their their hands and eyes by the 12th
weeks. The baby is also capable of smiling by
this time.
By the 20th week the baby on the human
continuum has all the physiological connectings
in place to feel pain.
Some workers who have left this line of work have
said that they heard the baby scream in pain while
being scrambled to death.
My question is why does this not bother you, MC?
Why so cold and heartless about the most vulnerable
of us who have no way to protect themselves?
You say that Paul was wrong about Jesus creating
everything.
Well, according to the Bible, who did then create
everything?
I never said that a woman who has an abortion
should be executed.
I also believe it it wrong to kill a baby who is
on the lower end of the human continuum
who is conceived by rape.
We do not even execute the rapist. It would be
far worse to execute an innocent baby.
The only reason I could see for an abortion is
if the continued pregnancy puts the life of mother
or both at a huge risk.
But, these situations are quite rare.
God is not a heartless animal. He look at our heart,
our intentions, for why we do what we do.
Lying is a sin. If we sometimes lie in order to
keep someone from being harmed or feeling
emotional pain, God know this.
In the same way, if an abortion is performed in order
to save the mother's life, God knows why.
He will be there to then help the woman through the
emotional pain and anguish.

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Message 765 of 1864 (900814)
10-31-2022 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 760 by dwise1
10-29-2022 5:26 PM


Re: Simplistically Speaking
Dwise, the Democratic Party is responsible for Jim Crow
laws.
They are also responsible for lynchings; poll taxes; the
KKK; the re-emergence of the KKK; lynchings: breakup of
the black family; racial strife; and, on top of this, they were
responsible for Japanese-American internment during
WW2.
America's worse cities for crime and poverty are, and
have been, controlled by Democrats, without a
Republican anywhere in sight for decades.
These cities have received trillions in economic aid; yet,
The people responsible (Democrats) for providing change
have done nothing to improve conditions.
They keep them this way, and then convince them that it
is the fault of white Conservatives.
They can do this because they have gained control of
academia and the media.
Any open-minded individual who watches the news can
see with crystal clarity the Liberal bias.
This same bias in clearly evidenced to anyone going to
college. Most people have a sheep mentality.
You talk of improving the infrastructure. What good is it
when we will soon not have the fuel in which to operate
our vehicles.
Unless something drastic happens, we will run out of
diesel fuel in three weeks.
Transportation of goods such as food will slow dranstically.
This is not due to incompetence on the part of the Liberal
leaders. It is part of their plan.
They are breaking us down. Soon there will be no middle
class in America.
Didn't you even watch the Democratic Presidental Debates.
They tripped all over themselves trying to see who could
get rid of fossil fuels the quickest. Or, to prove they were
the biggest supporter of Socialism.
You are going to feel like a total fool before long.
I guarantee it.

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