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nwr Member Posts: 6411 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Nwr, I looked at post 720, and all I saw was someone who supports any and all abortions Then you are not seeing straight. What I see in that post, is where I quoted you telling a deliberate and malicious falsehood. For the record, I do not "support any and all abortions". So that's another malicious falsehood.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1
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Dwise, late-term abortion Doctor Kermit Gosnell, of
Philadelphia, performed thousands of abortions over a 17 year career. Dr. Gosnell would deliver infants alive, ant then "snip"the back of their necks to sever the spinal cord. "His technique came to light during a drug bust at hisclinic, because he also dealt in illegal prescription drugs. It seems like you and Dr. Gosnell could have beenbest of friends. You both think alike. God can and will forgive someone for murdering theirown baby, but they must feel deep remorse an seek His forgiveness.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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From my vantage point, it seems that one side supports the Right To Life and the other side supports the Right To Choose.
For the record, I am a pro-choice Christian."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Dredge Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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candle2 writes:
An evil sicko.
late-term abortion , ofPhiladelphia, performed thousands of abortions over a 17 year career. Dr. Gosnell would deliver infants alive, ant then "snip" the back of their necks to sever the spinal cord.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
nwr writes: Nor do I. Each case should be considered on its own merits. For the record, I do not "support any and all abortions". The Marines have a saying. "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out". I say that each case is unique. Some babies are better off never having lived. (for various reasons)Others should be allowed the right to life. But if so, the state must provide the means by which to raise them. Do you want your taxes going up for a kid you never knew? Liberals try and support everything by appropriating other people's money. They should not have this carte blanche."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, both sides support the right to choose.
One side supports the right to choose life. The other side supports the right to choose death. One side doesn't have a monopoly on the right to choose.
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nwr Member Posts: 6411 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Dwise, there are a number of verses that condemns abortion in the Bible. Have you tried looking for verses that recommend abortion?Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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candle2 writes:
So, to be clear, you're in favor of executing woman who have abortions? If the baby is killed by accident, God states that theone(s) responsible should still be put to death. WWJD? What would Jesus do? Hm....
quote: I like to point out that Jesus didn't cast the first stone either."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Stop it. Republicans have taxes too. Liberals try and support everything by appropriating other people's money."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
"Kill 'em all and let God sort them out"
It is not a marine saying it is a christian saying. 1,000 Years and It Still Resonates, The Origins of a Phrase – Battles and Book Reviews
Liberals try and support everything by appropriating other people's money.
You have never presented any evidence to support this. The #GQP gives billions to billionaires and you are happy to fight poor people over the crumbs.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10073 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Phat writes: Do you want your taxes going up for a kid you never knew? Did Jesus tell his followers to only help children they knew?
Liberals try and support everything by appropriating other people's money. They should not have this carte blanche. How do Conservatives fund the government's budget?
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Taq Member Posts: 10073 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Phat writes: From my vantage point, it seems that one side supports the Right To Life and the other side supports the Right To Choose. It is interesting that Conservatives are all for the government inserting itself into a woman's doctor's office. So much for small government and the right to rid yourself of governmental interference.
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candle2 Member Posts: 850 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, you said that Jesus did not cast the first stone
either. The Pharisees brought a woman to Jesus who had beencaught in the very act of adultery. They insisted that Moses commands those committingadultery to be stoned. Notice that only the woman was brought before Jesus.Both the woman and man caught in adultery were to be stoned. This was a trap and Jesus knew it. This is why He bentdown and starting writing in the ground. What did He write? I don't know. I believe that He was writing the names of the accusersand listing each of their sins. Finally, He replied "He that is without sin among you, lethim first cast a stone at her." Convicted by their conscience of their own sins, theyleft, one after the other. I want you to notice in verse 6, they, the scribes andPharisees, were trying to set Jesus up, that they might accuse him. If Jesus had said "stone her," the Pharisees would havereported this to Pilate. It was against Roman law for anyone other than theproper authority to condemn a person to death. If Jesus had told them not to stone her, they would haveaccused Him of not respecting the law given to Moses by God--who was Jesus (as the Word). Jesus was the member of the God family who wrote the10 Commandments on stone, with His own finger. Notice that Jesus told the adulteress to go and sin nomore. Adultery is still a sin. Misguided people try to use Jesus' words to not cast thefirst stone, as to judge not. To support this belief they quote Matthew 7:1 "Judge notthat ye be no judged." But read verse 5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beamout of thine own eyes; AND then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Jesus came into the world to pay our death penalty. Asour Creator His life is worth far more than all of ours combined. His death buys us a resurrection from the dead. At thattime all humans will have access to God's Holy Spirit. They will then be taught by Jesus Himself, and by all those at that time who have already become members of the God family. John 3:17 "For God sent not His Son into the world tocondemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved." But, remember this, both adultery and murder of babiesqualify for the death penalty. It would be really difficult for me to sentence a womanwho had an abortion to death. If a woman keeps sleeping around and having abortions,she should be somehow held accountable. In any event, I believe that a doctor who murders littlebabies should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4441 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Trump committed treason and led an armed insurrection against OUR government. He tried to steal the election. We all watched him do it!
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
You're making that up. Jesus wan't born until centuries after the Ten Commandments were written.
Jesus was the member of the God family who wrote the10 Commandments on stone, with His own finger. candle2 writes:
Misguided people - like you - try to use the Old Testament to overrule Jesus.
Misguided people try to use Jesus' words to not cast thefirst stone, as to judge not. candle2 writes:
I didn't say anything about judging. Go ahead and judge all you want. What Jesus said was that none of us is qualified to carry out our judgement, at least not to the point of death. And He included Himself in that disqualification.
To support this belief they quote Matthew 7:1 "Judge notthat ye be no judged." candle2 writes:
See? By all means, judge your brother - but only after you have judged yourself by the same standard (or an even higher standard). By all means, stone the adulterous woman - but only after you have been stoned yourself for your own sins. Remember Who also said that we are ALL sinners?
But read verse 5: "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beamout of thine own eyes; AND then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. candle2 writes:
That makes no sense. Jesus came into the world to pay our death penalty. But even if it did, it would include the adulterous woman's death penalty.
candle2 writes:
What life? How can a god be alive?
As our Creator His life is worth far more than all of ourscombined. candle2 writes:
What about a twelve-year-old girl who is raped? Shall we execute her too?
If a woman keeps sleeping around and having abortions,she should be somehow held accountable. candle2 writes:
They already are. It's what the (human) law should say that's in question here. In any event, I believe that a doctor who murders littlebabies should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. You would execute a doctor who saves a woman's life by terminating a pregnancy that is killing her. That's sick."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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