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Topic: The Meaning Of The Trinity
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1249 of 1864 (906600)
02-13-2023 10:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 1247 by Dredge
02-13-2023 9:33 PM
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Historical facts not christian propganda
Liar.
Actually you are the liar or woefully ignorant.
The Vikings were ruthless and bloodthirsty raiders and looters until Catholic missionaries converted them to Christianity.
The behavior of the Norse did not change after becoming christian. Many of them did not become christian because of missionaries or some sort of enlightenment, but because their king required it. Back then people were of the religion of their ruler.
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Though the Viking Age would end and the Norse warrior ethos eventually cool as Scandinavia became more like the rest of Europe, the Christian Vikings of the 10th and 11th century did not behave much differently than their Pagan counterparts. They were still extraordinarily warlike and about as likely to plunder, take slaves, have multiple wives, engage in blood feuds, and display other typical features of Vikings anywhere. They were just as daring in exploration. Some of the most savage, intrepid, and successful Vikings – like Harald Hardrada, Amlaib Cuaran, Sytric Silkenbeard, Leif Erikson, and Cnut the Great – were Christians by choice. Viking values of total commitment in battle and placing glory over life itself also did not change. Clear evidence of this can be found in the Battle of Clontarf (Ireland, 1014) and in the Battle of Stamford Bridge, (England, 1066) in which mixed-faith Viking armies chose annihilation rather than dishonor and suffered casualty rates of 80-90 percent. These battles, and the others like them, showed that for the Vikings it did not really matter whether they were going to Heaven or Valhalla.
The Vikings and Christianity | History of Christian Vikings – Sons of Vikings
South Pacific Islanders were head-hunting cannibals until Catholic missionaries converted to Christianity.
Please provide some sort of historical evidence for these head-hunting cannibals.
The natives of Sth America practised human sacrifice until Catholic missionaries converted them to Christianity.
Yes, ritualistic human sacrifice stopped after the Spanish took over, not because of conversion but because of the power of the Spanish. Then non ritualistic human sacrifice was carried out by the Spanish as they killed tens of millions of people intentionally and unintentionally.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1260 of 1864 (906618)
02-14-2023 4:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 1259 by Phat
02-14-2023 3:42 PM
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Re: Identity Politics ©
Written by Amy Chua to promote her latest book. So not really by The Guardian is it? Chua is right wing law professor known for her controversies more than her legal opinions. Her argument is that we shouldn't make the haters feel bad because it makes them even more bigotted. Bullshit, name and shame. BTW she and her husband have been disciplined by Yale University for inappropriate behavior with students. Relevant? I think if you speak about the behavior if others you better be able to justify your own behavior
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1269 of 1864 (906635)
02-14-2023 7:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 1267 by AZPaul3
02-14-2023 6:16 PM
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Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
It doesn't even say what he claims. I also have a few gay friends that are more masculine then he could ever hope to be.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1278 of 1864 (906648)
02-15-2023 8:36 AM
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Reply to: Message 1276 by jar
02-15-2023 8:28 AM
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Phat stay on topic?
Are you dreaming?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1289 of 1864 (906761)
02-16-2023 2:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 1282 by Dredge
02-16-2023 1:26 PM
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Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
No, no it isn't If it were you would present evidence. The Norse people and people of Scandinavia did not become miraculously peaceful with the coming of christianity. Maybe you have heard of Rollo of Normandy, Cnut, Harald Hadrada, and a few centuries later Gustavus Adolphus
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1291 of 1864 (906789)
02-16-2023 4:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 1290 by AZPaul3
02-16-2023 3:12 PM
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Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
60-100+ million in the Americas alone.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1296 of 1864 (906976)
02-17-2023 9:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 1293 by Dredge
02-17-2023 6:50 AM
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Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
By definition it is not. Please show an accepted definition that says it is atheistic. Also by practice it can be theistic. Religious communism - Wikipedia. Now Marxist-Leninist philosophy is atheistic, but that is just one version of Communism
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1297 of 1864 (906977)
02-17-2023 9:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 1295 by Dredge
02-17-2023 7:04 AM
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Re: Historical facts not christian propganda
Do you have any sources to show that what has been said is incorrect? Original references were cited. Do you understand how references are used? Do you know anything about scholarly research? Pick one of the claims, refute it. Or just crawl back under your rock.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1314 of 1864 (907002)
02-17-2023 4:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 1308 by Phat
02-17-2023 3:31 PM
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Re: The Meaning Of The Trinity
Sorry but I do not understand the reference.
when the five cities became a split in 1066?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1322 of 1864 (907018)
02-18-2023 12:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 1318 by Phat
02-18-2023 10:13 AM
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Re: The Meaning Of The Trinity
The split was in 1054. 1066 was the Norman conquest of Britain. I would not be surprised if Shelley got it wrong. Though he taught history he had no credentials to do so. His degrees were in Divinity.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1339 of 1864 (907050)
02-18-2023 3:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 1323 by Phat
02-18-2023 1:07 PM
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Re: Lets Examine Bruce Shelley
No thanks. I will leave history to the historians and the theologians should stick with theology. The point is you had the date wrong. Was it you or was it him? Why don't you confirm shit before you post your crap?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1340 of 1864 (907051)
02-18-2023 3:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 1320 by Phat
02-18-2023 10:36 AM
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Re: British Humor Writ Large
skip it not worth it
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1376 of 1864 (907147)
02-19-2023 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 1359 by Dredge
02-19-2023 9:26 AM
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Re: British Humor Writ Large
Again you expose your ignorance. You do know you can easily research the term rather than sound ignorant, don't you?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1377 of 1864 (907148)
02-19-2023 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 1367 by Phat
02-19-2023 10:02 AM
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Re: Mind Over Matter ©
Is there any chance you will stay on topic?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 1378 of 1864 (907149)
02-19-2023 11:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 1371 by Dredge
02-19-2023 10:19 AM
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Re: Ignorance Is Diss
Well if you were not so willfully ignorant you would know that Gnosticism is one of the first Christian sects.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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