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PaulK
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Message 3561 of 3694 (914644)
01-27-2024 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 3560 by candle2
01-27-2024 8:48 AM


Re: Daniel
quote:
Paulk, you do not have a list of the changes AE made to
God's times and Laws because he made none.
Since I’ve already shown that he did, you are wrong.
Still stuck in your dead end trying to argue a point already refuted/

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PaulK
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Message 3565 of 3694 (914648)
01-27-2024 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3564 by candle2
01-27-2024 2:06 PM


Re: Daniel
quote:
***You have not shown anything.
Of course as you know, I’ve shown more than you have managed.
I showed it in Message 3463 and had to remind you in Message 3470,
Message 3483 and Message 3506 - and that’s just the times I linked back to the original message.
quote:
I can make a list of the changes the RCC has made to
God's times and Laws. I cannot make a complete list
because I would be texting for several days.
And it doesn’t matter because you’re missing all the rest. And you know you’re missing all the rest because you don’t dare discuss it. After all you say you’ve done your homework so if there was any case there, you’d know it.

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PaulK
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Message 3568 of 3694 (914655)
01-28-2024 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3567 by candle2
01-28-2024 8:18 AM


Re: Daniel
quote:
Daniel 7:21, 25, 27 clearly state that the little horn (RCC)
will persecute and kill the saints of God. The little horn
must do this.
And, as I have already answered, Antiochus did. Message 3506
Why must you continually repeat arguments already answered?
quote:
I have already stated that the legs and feet in Daniel 2 is
the Roman Empire. The stone from God hit the image on
it's feet and toes.
You have said that. That doesn’t make it true. Daniel 8 and 11 clearly put the end times in the Hellenistic era, and the Greek Diadochi kingdoms are the main subject.
quote:
The Roman Empire is also the fourth beast in Daniel 7.
Then what are the other three - that survive after the fourth beast is destroyed? (Daniel 7:12)
quote:
The Roman Empire is also the fourth beast in Daniel 7.
This empire had ten horns (kings). These 10 horns are
not the same as the ten kings (toes) in the image.
What makes you think that the Roman Empire had 10 kings? The number of Emperors was much more than that.
quote:
This leaves 7 horns for the the little horn to become
mingled with. This little horns governmental system
mirrors that of the other 7 horns. It is an image of the
Roman Empire.

After the Vandals. Heruli, and Ostrogoths are plucked up
by the roots, by Emperor Justinian, at the insistence of
the RCC (Little horn)Horn, we are left with 7 horns and a
mirror image of these 7 horns.
The Vandals, Ostrogoths and the Heruli are not “kings of the Roman Empire”. If Justinian destroyed them then Justinian ought to be the “little horn” - as you have already listed him as one of the ten (and I’m far from convinced that the RCC would get Justinian to destroy an RCC kingdom). Besides that, so far as I can tell the Heruli vanished after becoming divided, fighting a civil war and merging into other peoples. So that doesn’t exactly look good for you.
I’m not going to bother with Revelation since it is clearly talking about different things from Daniel.

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PaulK
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Message 3572 of 3694 (914659)
01-28-2024 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 3571 by candle2
01-28-2024 10:15 AM


Re: Daniel
quote:
"I don’t think that but you seem to. You say that the
Second Coming of Christ will destroy the Holy Roman
Empire. Well Napoleon did that."

***There is nothing in scripture that states this.
I didn’t say it was from scripture. I stated that you said it. And you did Message 3488.
I don’t know why you are going on about Mussolini and Hitler - they weren’t Holy Roman Emperors. The Holy Roman Empire was dissolved before they were born.
quote:
The final head of the HRE will work closely with the RCC.
The final head of the HRE would be Francis II up to his abdication in 1806. I don’t know why you are using the future tense about somebody who died the best part of 200 years ago.

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PaulK
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Message 3574 of 3694 (914661)
01-28-2024 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 3573 by candle2
01-28-2024 12:34 PM


Re: Daniel
quote:
Paulk, am starting to laugh at you. You have less ability
to discern that my German Shepherd.
Because as tell the truth?
quote:
WW2 was mostly against the Israelites in Northern and
Western Europe, as well as the U.S., Canada, and Australia.
Millions were killed because if members of the HRE.
The Holy Roman Empire is gone. Dissolved at the start of the §9th Century. That is a fact. The Anglo-Israelite nonsense you preach is just that - nonsense.
quote:
It started with two countries of the old HRE. And it involved
the RCC, as well as Spain, another member of the HRE.
None of which is in the least relevant. If you had any “discernment” you would know that. Italy in 1939 was no more the Holy Roman Empire than it was the Kingdom of the Visigoths.
quote:
If Israel were not involved with them, the Bible might not
even mention it.
The Bible doesn’t mention it.
[quote] I have thus far mentioned two clues that assist us in
identifying the little horn in Daniel 7.
]/quote]
And I’ve show that you are wrong.
quote:
You have thus far offered nothing to support your theory
that AE is the little horn of Daniel 7.
Well that shows why you are so insistent that Satan is a great deceiver. But did you really think that you could get away with such an obvious lie ?
quote:
I feel like I am debating a kid.
You think that you are debating? When your best argument is to try to pretend that I haven’t supported my points. Grow up and stop acting like a silly baby.

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PaulK
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Message 3577 of 3694 (914664)
01-28-2024 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3575 by candle2
01-28-2024 12:59 PM


Re: Daniel
quote:
***You have no idea what Revelation is talking about.

You are so unsure that you will not even comment on it.

I am sure that it is not talking about the same things as Daniel and that is why Revelation does not belong in a discussion about Daniel.
And all this is just a pretence so you can hide from the truth.

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PaulK
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Message 3578 of 3694 (914665)
01-28-2024 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 3576 by candle2
01-28-2024 1:02 PM


Re: Daniel
quote:
Paulk, you have offered nothing to support your misguided
theory that AE is the little horn in Daniel 7.
Maybe you better pray to your God to get some better lies.
Message 3463
Message 3487
Message 3506

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PaulK
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Message 3586 of 3694 (914680)
01-29-2024 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3585 by candle2
01-29-2024 1:08 PM


Re: Daniel
quote:
Paulk, you wrote that the HRE died in 1806. By my
calculation this happened 1814. 554 + 1260=1814.
Where are you getting those numbers from? The Holy Roman Empire began with the coronation of Charlemagne in 800 AD
quote:
But let's make something clear, the beast did not
disappear. It remained in 12 little Italian states that
united in 1870 by Garibaldi.
Which aren’t anything to do with the Holy Roman Empire. So just how many kingdoms is this “Beast” of yours?

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PaulK
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Message 3588 of 3694 (914682)
01-29-2024 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 3587 by candle2
01-29-2024 1:46 PM


Re: Daniel
quote:
Paulk, the number of the beast is 666. This number
stands for the kingdom, it's first king, and everyone in
the kingdom.
Not really. All Revelation says is that it’s a numerological value for one man’s name. And there are manuscripts that say it’s 616, too.
quote:
The Hebrew name for Romulus is Romiith. In numerical
value for each letter is: R=200; O=6; M=40; I=10; I=10; &
TH=400. 666.
Even if that is the correct transliteration it doesn’t get you any further in interpreting Daniel, because Rome is not a major player in those prophecies. And I note that you feel free to use Hebrew or Greek to help get the result you want.
But of course if it’s all about the Roman Empire it can’t be about the barely-connected Holy Roman Empire (famously “neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire”).

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PaulK
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Message 3591 of 3694 (914686)
01-29-2024 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 3589 by candle2
01-29-2024 2:19 PM


Re: Daniel
quote:
***Most grownups, when stating that something is not
what someone else says it is, tells us what they believe
that something is. But not the one who have no idea
what they are talking about
The part of my post you chose to quote simply asked a question. Which you haven’t answered. Dishonest evasion accompanied by insult is hardly productive discussion.
Now the fourth Beast of Daniel 7 is A Kingdom. Not a collection of kingdoms that aren’t even closely related, so I guess you can’t be talking about that beast.
quote:
It's not my beast. I am an Israelite, from the tribe of
Manasseh, son of Joseph.
No, you aren’t. We can be sure of that.
And don’t worry. You don’t understand Revelation any more than I do. Probably less.

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PaulK
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Message 3592 of 3694 (914687)
01-29-2024 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 3590 by candle2
01-29-2024 2:23 PM


Re: Daniel
quote:
You need to read Rev. 13 again.
And if I do what will I find out? That I was correct to say that Revelation only tells us that it is the numerological value of a man’s name?

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PaulK
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Message 3596 of 3694 (914696)
01-29-2024 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3594 by Phat
01-29-2024 3:55 PM


Re: Daniel
Now, now candle2 isn’t a follower of Herbert W. Armstrong - he’s a follower of the man that Herbert W Armstrong got - or stole - the idea from.
Herbert W. Armstrong - A Plagiarist?
It’s all crap. No matter who gets the (dis)credit.

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PaulK
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Message 3599 of 3694 (914714)
01-30-2024 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 3598 by candle2
01-30-2024 7:56 AM


Re: Daniel
So rather than discuss the subject - or even explain your assertions you go off rambling about Nazis, who have nothing to do with the subject. And your own freedom-hating anti-American nonsense isn’t on-topic either.
I get that you spout ridiculous nonsense. It isn’t a reason to believe any of it.

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PaulK
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Message 3603 of 3694 (914719)
01-30-2024 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 3600 by candle2
01-30-2024 11:14 AM


Re: Daniel
quote:
Paulk, what I have done is to prove to you that the little
horn, the whore riding the scarlet colored beast, and the
image of the beast are all the same. They are the RCC
You really haven’t, but Revelation is not the topic here.
quote:
The 10 horns in Daniel 7 and the legs and feet in Daniel
2 are the Roman Empire.
Open your eyes. See how you run away from explaining how your interpretations work, while pretending my explanations were never posted. Is that how someone who has proof acts?
quote:
The last seven horns of the 10 horns in Daniel 7 rule with
the RCC. Together that firm the HRE.
Open your eyes and see how you contradict yourself. Are they the Roman Empire or the Germanic body (wrongly) called The Holy Roman Empire?
quote:
The toes on the image in Daniel 2 are the ten kings on the
7th head of the beast in Revelation.
Daniel makes no mention of the number of toes. You simply assume that it is important, for no reason.
As one last point, there are still Nazis - but not rich, powerful Nazis. There were Nazis marching at Charlottesville, in support of racism. There were Nazis among the January 6th insurrectionists. That’s not something to forget.

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