Choosing a faith

You still do not comprehend reality, Priest. We do not believe these thing. We know them.The universe has shown us the evidence of these things while your fantasies are shown delusional. There is nothing in this world (and by world we mean everything) that sustains the evil bs you proselytize, Priest.The problem with you voting is you not knowing the reality from which to make cogent decisions. Your decisions are as bogus as your creed.BTW, it is not the lifeless chemicals that gives life but QFT.

Because you see a few religious nutjobs and think that's the reality. It isn't. You lie. Knowingly. Purposefully.Project Steve - WikipediaYour creationist list of (pseudo)scientists who deny evolution is nie non-existent compared to reality. Evidenced reality. Reality you must deny with stupidity to proselytize your favorite flavors of evil gods.You are a lying priest. Your lists are known bogus. Here again you spew falsehood, delusion and evil.But, this is to be expected. You are a religious nutjob.

Welcome back Reverend. So your gods created the whales while all other living creatures and every fowl was called forth out of the water after their kind. Natural evolution.Why did your gods need to special create only whales? Jonah wasn't the only soul incarcerated in a fish was he. Being from a practicing jewish family he had the pleasure of reading Genesis from the original in the Torah unencumbered by centuries of christian apologetics. In the end, of course, he discovered his own way without the need of any ghost.

Dr. James Tour is a known "lies for Jesus" Discovery Institute pseudo-intellect turned religious hack. You are a lying priest. I do not believe you.

No. Our science is not that advanced, yet.Abiogenesis did not leave any specific evidence trail as evolution presently does. How the first replicators formed is still unknown. If we find a formula to create self-replicators we will never be sure that recipe was the actual one.The evidence for abiogenesis is forever lost to us. The best we can do is find a formula that works to show that such could be done without the need for some fanciful meddlesome ghosts. That's one of the easy things we discovered early on in evolution. That is why we separate the studies of abiogenesis from evolution. We know how evolution works on populations over time, including large populations over deep time, to create the diversity of life we find around us. The nested hierarchy of species, genus, family and on, are clearly evident in the record.Such clear data from abiogenesis does not exist for us to study as evolution provides. Because we're not stupid. The evidence for evolution clearly shows that chain exists regardless of where, when, how life first came to be. The evidence of evolution has survived deep time. The evidence of abiogenesis has not.Like in cosmology, there is a question of the beginning. But that lack of knowledge does not negate the strong evidence the entire fossil record and genetic data provides that creates the modern synthesis in evolution theory.

No. He's a nutjob.He is a different level of nutjobbery from your level of nutjobbery. We can speak and converse. His only voice is proselytizing. Yes, you are and you really need to stop.You spread religious poison. You believe in majik and imaginary cosmic powers. More, you believe your church has a monopoly on what all humanity needs to do to avoid the results of your creed, your self-generated threat of eternal damnation. The problem is all your fellow nutjobs, priests of different creeds, demand that same monopoly over humanities actions. Your religions end up making millennia of war on humanity.That is evil, Reverend. Stop it.

We don't have to prove anything. We just follow the evidence.Evolution left plenty of hard evidence. Abiogenesis ... not so much.If you want to hide your god in that niche of ignorance please feel free. We'll route him out of there soon enough.

Yep.We haven't got them all, of course, but enough from most to document the flows and the patterns and the reality of the modern synthesis.Go ahead, tell me how we cannot study an Ammonite fossil from 300 million years ago because they're all dead now. A major share of the fossil record is older than your god. And like kids in a candy store we have access to it and we get to dig up more every day.Science is magic like that. We can study dead thing. Yes, there is. It is a statistical bump in the ebb and flow of population numbers in a specific geography. This is further evidence of evolution. The only mutations passed from parent to child is through the germ cells. Somatic cells do not undergo meiosis and cannot form gametes.We are finding that the environment can alter gene expression but it does not alter the DNA of an individual's germ-line cells except in rare circumstances like chemical poisoning. That's right. Lamarckism does not work. We know this. We have known this for a century or so. That also fits with the modern synthesis.What does this have to do with the discussion?If you were making some kind of point I'm afraid I missed it. All I see is you presenting more evidence of evolution, which is fine. We like that.

So did Newton. They were both wrong.

No roadblocks, Reverend. Only your misinterpretations of the facts. I don't suppose you care to offer any evidence of this? Without evidence there is no "my" god or any other flavor of god. Rejected. Yes it is. They evolved as daughter populations over a few thousand years.You were hoping it was an instantaneous replacement with a fiat creation?Sorry to disappoint you. That is not what the record shows. The daughter populations quickly (a few thousand years) out competed their parents. That was an ass response, Reverend.You should know how Natural Selection works. Lamarckism is not Natural Selection and you were stupid trying to confuse the two.Do you practice this kind of deliberate subterfuge in your sermons? Don't do it here.The environment does not produce adaptation. It kills all who do not adapt. If your genome doesn't hit on a survivable body for your environment you will not live. You will die, probably still in the womb.Populations being what they are, there usually are some new variants already evolved in some of the population that better survive a changing environment. Over time, these new populations with their more adaptable genes become the dominant population. The unadapted others will become extinct. That is where most extinctions come from, not from some big honking space rocks (though they have kicked life in the kahunas pretty hard at times).The ecosystem does not create genes. It just smiles on those who can play and reproduce and kills those that can't. In this way the environment controls all of evolution without direct input to the genome. Survival of the fittest.

Then you are in luck. Evolution happens to populations over many generations. There is no instant transmutation of one species to another. No. No transmutation or fiat creation. The "god poofed it from his nose" scenario is not shown in the record. The things the universe shows is evolution only. No fantasy religious majik.So you now support the Modern Synthesis of the Theory of Evolution?

To see the difference, Reverend, look at their chromosome number.That's one of the differences between these species. As a result the combined genome is (chemically) confused on the germ-cell level and either cannot produce gametes or only produces non-viable gametes.Evolution did work. The mule's parents put together a genome that was not a viable fit for the environment. That faulty genome will not be passed on. Survival of the fittest, Reverend.

Reverend, the evidence is at all the schools you didn't attend and in all the sciences you didn't study. Strong evidence does actually exist and is available to everyone/anyone, unlike your fanciful claims of some cosmic ghost. This question is disingenuous. The evidence is right down the street at your friendly neighborhood international paleontology museum and you won't go see. Besides, you know you will never acknowledge any of the evidence because it holds no role in this universe for your fake gods.BTW, if you do decide to learn actual facts and have about 6 months free time I highly suggest the Field Museum of Natural History - Wikipedia as a place for your sabbatical studies in the Modern Synthesis of the Theory of Evolution.

These 4 things were obvious or viable to any competent observer of their time. That does not make them divine revelations. The proof is in the fact that your bible writers had not idea why these things were as they were, so they made up ghosts, while the science found the actual fact with an actual why and didn't find any ghosts anywhere. That's a big lie, Reverend. You know where the facts to study are located. You refuse to go to them and learn. You know you cannot get that kind of education here in this internet site.And these aren't opinions. Learn the myriad of things you never even knew of evolution and how we know these things are real. But you refuse to lift the scales from your eyes.You enforce upon your mind a strict quarantine from contrary knowledge.Why does reality scare you so much? Is your god-idea so fragile that reality would shatter it?

I, for one, am getting an education. Lots of things I didn’t know. Message 3193

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And God said, “Let there be dark,” and there was dark.

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I didn't know that. That puts a new twist on things