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Theodoric
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Message 3136 of 3694 (913506)
11-07-2023 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 3135 by candle2
11-07-2023 8:53 AM


Re: One Does Not Gain Converts By Attacking Evolution
Crawl back under your rock.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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dwise1
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Message 3137 of 3694 (913510)
11-08-2023 3:18 AM
Reply to: Message 3133 by candle2
11-07-2023 7:23 AM


Re: One Does Not Gain Converts By Attacking Evolution
Dwise, are you so out of touch that you have no idea
what intermediate fossils should look like.
I have very good ideas of what intermediate fossils should look like. YOU DON'T!
Here is what you are "replying to" from Message 3132 (since you never actually reply to anything):
dwise1 writes:
Also, you don't know what an intermediate fossil would be. You couldn't recognize an intermediate fossil if it fell off the table and crushed your foot. You insist on incredibly stupid things like "half-gill/half-lung", "an individual decides to evolve in the middle of its life", CROCODUCKS.
Your willful ignorance has you demanding properties of intermediate fossils that simply do not apply at all. It would be like you demanding evidence that operational aircraft exist, but for you demand that to be an operational aircraft it would need to fly by flapping its wings. That's not how aircraft work, so you use your impossible misdefinition to eliminate every single example we provide to you (that even the experts provide) and declare victory in dispelling the "lie of operational aircraft."
What the fuck is wrong with you?
If you are going to reply to my message, THEN REPLY TO IT!!! If you cannot even bother to put up the pretense of replying, then please just give up already!
So instead of presenting to us your infinite wisdom as to the nature of intermediate fossils, you do nothing else but ducking out of your responsibility to support your own position.
That is very telling and reveals much of your intent to deceive.
Before you can declare that no intermediate fossils exist, you must first describe how to identify a fossil as intermediate or not. But you have absolutely no clue how to do that.
You cannot do so and furthermore you refuse to even attempt to do so.
Instead, you believe in CROCODUCKS! What a fucking idiot!
You may as well be promoting things even more stupid like giant mud fossils.
No ... wait! YOU DO!!

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candle2
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Message 3138 of 3694 (913548)
11-11-2023 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3137 by dwise1
11-08-2023 3:18 AM


Re: One Does Not Gain Converts By Attacking Evolution
Dwise, you asked what do I consider the qualifications of
transitional fossils to be.
There is no such thing as a transitional fossil. There is not
the slightest hint of such fossils.
You also mentioned that I should speak with a paleontolgist.
Are you serious? Look at how they have warped your mind.
In my opinion, you have a good case for suing them.
The following link on Google:
"The Scientific Case Against Evolution" is from ICR, but it
contains quotes from evolutionists, including paleontolgist,
who admit that there is nothing in science that supports
evolution.
There are no transitional fossils! Nothing.
Some freely admit that they will never accept God, but
they u/s that fins cannot turn into legs, or that every bone
cannot be crafted and reshaped, etc....
Dr. James Tour's challenge to evolution scientists is a
bitter pill for them to swallow, but they are scared to
death of him.
"Origin of Life Challenge Results"
The video is nine and a half minutes long.
Don't be too scared to watch it.
If you do not read the first article, I will begin to post
the quotes myself.
The is a bad time for me to be so busy.
Darwinian evolution is dead!

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kjsimons
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Message 3139 of 3694 (913549)
11-11-2023 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 3138 by candle2
11-11-2023 5:12 PM


Re: One Does Not Gain Converts By Attacking Evolution
The truth is that most fossils are probably transitional fossils. Your rejection of this is only a reflection of your lack of knowledge. Your lack of agreement with the scientific consensus is underwhelming evidence for us to reject said consensus.

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kjsimons
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Message 3140 of 3694 (913550)
11-11-2023 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 3138 by candle2
11-11-2023 5:12 PM


Re: One Does Not Gain Converts By Attacking Evolution
duplicate post

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Theodoric
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Message 3141 of 3694 (913551)
11-12-2023 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3139 by kjsimons
11-11-2023 10:13 PM


Re: One Does Not Gain Converts By Attacking Evolution
By virtue of definition, all fossils are transitional. Even if the genetic line dies out, unless they are the very last of their species, they are transitional to the next generation.
My parents are transitional to me, and if I had ever procreated I would be transitional to my descendants(alas on my line my genes end with me). A fossil of me would be transitional though, as I am representative of my species at this time.
Creos are willfully ignorant and need to just crawl under their rock(church).

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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candle2
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Message 3142 of 3694 (913597)
11-19-2023 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 3106 by Phat
11-02-2023 12:56 PM


Re: Claims Are Not Evidence...Even If Preached
Phat, I have one more video that I would like for you to
watch.
If you watch it, I will not bother you again.
Beyond Today -- Christ's Thousand -- Years Reign on Earth

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Phat
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Message 3143 of 3694 (913600)
11-20-2023 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 3142 by candle2
11-19-2023 4:52 PM


Re: Claims Are Not Evidence...Even If Preached
I watched it, even though it was put out by the Church Of God that you belong to. They get a bit dramatic with their stuff. I don't disbelieve that stuff nor do I fervently believe it.
Thousand Year Millenniums are above my pay grade and simply not on my radar.
I DO believe that humanity is in a spiritual conflict and that we become the decisions we make. I believe that accepting Jesus is a good move for anyone regardless of their beliefs.
That being said, I don't simply see a future where we all go forward holding hands and skipping into a thousand years of peace. Critics might ask why humanity cant do it without God.
Time will tell if they have an argument. Personally I think humanity will never be strong enough on its own.Which is why Gods human character came to this world in the first place.

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candle2
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Message 3144 of 3694 (913620)
11-23-2023 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 3143 by Phat
11-20-2023 12:00 PM


Re: Claims Are Not Evidence...Even If Preached
Fair enough, Phat.

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candle2
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Message 3145 of 3694 (913656)
11-26-2023 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 3143 by Phat
11-20-2023 12:00 PM


Re: Claims Are Not Evidence...Even If Preached
Phat, there are a number of differences between this
present age and the coming Kingdom of God.
Satan is the ruler of this present age. He despises peace.
And, his powers of deception are tremendous. Plus, he
controls most of the world's elite.
Satan is also the prince of the power of the air. He controls
the filth that comes out of Hollywood. There are hundreds
of actors, actresses, and singers who have admitted to
selling their souls (lives) to Satan in exchange for fame,
fortune, and power.
Politicians, judges, and industrialists are also guilty of
selling themselves to Satan.
Most people go through this life without a hint of what
is actually going on behind the scene.
Humans are extremely gullible. Humans are also
self-centered. None of us are good. And everyone of us
has the potential to do terrible things to other if the
wrong situation arises.
In the Kingdom of God Satan and his demons will not be
allowed to influence humanity. Men and women will still
have their human nature to overcome, but this can be
achieved with the proper guidance.
Christ will not come back as a weakling. He will come back
with great power and authority. Even those who have are in
the first resurrection will have enormous powers.
Men will not be allowed to make decisions that can lead to
wars.
When Christ returns He will instantly kill 200,000,000 men
from the armies of the East. This army will be marching
to Jerusalem in order to attack, what they consider, a
power from outer space. Revelation 9.
The armies of the East consist of China. Russia, NK,etc.
These nations know little of Christ.
Christ will force peace. He will not compromise, and He
cannot be stopped.
The nations will go through a period of adjustment. I
imagine that the Muslim Nations will have difficulty
accepting Christ, but they will have no choice.
This is the time that the prophet Isaiah said the nations
would 'beat their swords into plowshares, and their
Spears into pruninghooks:
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
they learn war any more." Isaiah 2:1-4.
During this 1000 years Kingdom of God, Christ will even
change the nature of wild animals. They will revert back
to how they were originally created.
Isaiah 11:6-9
6. "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard
shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion
and fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."
7. "And the cow and the bear shall feed; and their young
ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw
like the ox."
8. "And the suckling child shall play on the hole of the asp,
and the weaned child shall put his hand on the
cockatrice's den."
9. "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountains:
for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as
the waters cover the sea."
There multiple dozens of prophecies concerning the return
of Christ and His Kingdom.
You are right in that man will never be able to do this
on his own.But, Christ can. And He has said that He
will do exactly that.
It does not matter if everyone holds hand or not. Christ
will force peace on earth.

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Tangle
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Message 3146 of 3694 (913657)
11-26-2023 5:07 PM


The worry is that this guy can vote.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 3147 of 3694 (913658)
11-26-2023 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 3146 by Tangle
11-26-2023 5:07 PM


The worry is that this guy can vote.
And that our civilization is still cranking them out, and at an increasing rate! Terrifying!

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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candle2
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Message 3148 of 3694 (913660)
11-27-2023 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 3146 by Tangle
11-26-2023 5:07 PM


Tangle, you worry about me voting, and you believe that
your creator is lifeless chemicals.
You believe that you and chimps are cousins, and that
ancient amoeba are your forefathers.
And, you talk about voting.
Do you ever consider how utterly ignorant your beliefs are?

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Tangle
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Message 3149 of 3694 (913663)
11-27-2023 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3148 by candle2
11-27-2023 9:31 AM


You're deranged dear chap; stark-staring bonkers.
Phat, you cheered this madman, really?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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AZPaul3
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Message 3150 of 3694 (913666)
11-27-2023 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3148 by candle2
11-27-2023 9:31 AM


You still do not comprehend reality, Priest.
your creator is lifeless chemicals
you and chimps are cousins
ancient amoeba are your forefathers
We do not believe these thing. We know them.
The universe has shown us the evidence of these things while your fantasies are shown delusional. There is nothing in this world (and by world we mean everything) that sustains the evil bs you proselytize, Priest.
The problem with you voting is you not knowing the reality from which to make cogent decisions. Your decisions are as bogus as your creed.
BTW, it is not the lifeless chemicals that gives life but QFT.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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