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Theodoric
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Message 1201 of 1864 (906418)
02-11-2023 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1199 by candle2
02-11-2023 3:53 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Nope

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 1202 of 1864 (906421)
02-11-2023 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1201 by Theodoric
02-11-2023 5:26 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
I was seeing a maybe tirade coming on but you just slapped him. Well done, sir.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1203 of 1864 (906423)
02-11-2023 6:25 PM
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02-11-2023 3:53 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
candle2 writes:
Theodoric, you do believe in magic.

You believe in the magic of chemicals creating life.

You believe in fairy tales.

Your fairy tale begins by "long ago and far away."

OR,

"Did you hear about the frog who turned into a prince."
Well said, candle2! Atheists like Theodorkic believe in magic and superstition ... but call it "science". Most of the scientific community believe the same fairy tale - that mud magically turned into human beings - and then teach it to little children. It'll be funny if it wasn't so pathetically stupid and shameful.
"Claiming to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1.

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Dredge
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Message 1204 of 1864 (906424)
02-11-2023 6:27 PM
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02-11-2023 6:25 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Edit: "It'd be funny if ... "

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Dredge
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Message 1205 of 1864 (906426)
02-11-2023 6:33 PM
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02-11-2023 4:00 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
jar writes:
We see that it is chemicals and only chemicals that create life even today.
Right ... just as we can see today that nuts and bolts create jet fighters! So funny!

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Dredge
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Message 1206 of 1864 (906432)
02-11-2023 7:19 PM
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02-11-2023 2:48 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Phart, this is not your best work. Very disappointing. Please try and do better.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1207 of 1864 (906461)
02-12-2023 11:19 AM
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02-11-2023 3:53 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Happy Darwin Day.​

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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candle2
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Message 1208 of 1864 (906462)
02-12-2023 11:34 AM
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02-11-2023 2:48 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Phat, this is really difficult for evolutionists to explain.
"Titan mud fossils."
There are hundreds of them scattered about the globe.
Look at this one: "The sleeping giant of Peru."
Check as many sights as you can.
And when they name a location for one go to that
source to validate its authenticity.
Prove the validity of them to yourself.
They can't just be dismissed; they must be explained.
"There were giants on the earth in those days."

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AZPaul3
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Message 1209 of 1864 (906463)
02-12-2023 11:43 AM
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02-11-2023 2:48 PM


Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
Yeah, Phat. Answer candle2 and his giants. It's a test.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 1210 of 1864 (906464)
02-12-2023 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1200 by jar
02-11-2023 4:00 PM


Magic or Majik? ©
Theodoric, responding to Dredge writes:
You believe in magic and we.do not.
I saw that post first thing this morning as I was waking up and checking my emails. It gave me pause to think. I had to ask and answer some questions:
  • Do all believers believe in magic?
  • What is the definition of magic, in context?
    To begin with, I believe that my salvation moment...years ago (1993) when I first got saved was "magical". My entire demeanor changed. On a dime! (Scripture defines it as being transformed by the renewing of your mind) That one change was so memorable that I mark it as a watershed moment in my life.
    BUT...Since then, I have shown signs of not only a relapse but a reversion to my old nature...and even worse! I get caught up in arguments regarding fairness and entitlement and in racism and hatred and wars and economic doomsday's that is unbefitting a man who claims to have been transformed at one time (or ongoing) in his life.
    ringo tried to get my attention by accusing me of doing nothing that Jesus(as character in a book) asked or demanded of me. I rejected his claim as invalid because he exaggerated (in my mind) by saying I did NOTHING that Jesus told me to do, and, secondly that he himself was not a believer. He has responded to that argument over and over so lets not belabor the point.
    The point is I DO believe in magic. That God exists.(Which itself would be magic since we have no objective evidence)That God seeks to commune with humanity. That God can and does transform us through the renewing of our mind. That God is not limited by definition from the plethora of human inspired and specific gods of our own imaginations.
    So what is the definition of magic? Magic is when an old grump like Ebenezer Scrooge has his entire demeanor change. Magic is when a poor person becomes rich (in spirit) and stops begging or stealing. Magic is when a sick person becomes well. Magic is when the people cease fighting each other ideologically and begin to get along.
    candle at both ends writes:
    Theodoric, you do believe in magic.
    he just said he didn't.
    You believe in the magic of chemicals creating life.
    Liife itself is rare, but would you describe it as magic? Perhaps I might, though Theo would refer to the scientific method and say there is no magic involved.
    You believe in fairy tales.
    In order to do that we would have to believe in fairies, don't you think?
    jar writes:
    We see that it is chemicals and only chemicals that create life even today.
    So are you arguing that only chemicals are involved? Why can't we resurrect a dead corpse through chemicals, then?
    jar writes:
    Learn that words have meaning.
    Remember snarl words and purr words?
    I doubt that candle2 would ever read Language In Thought & Action. Heck, I still need to finish it!

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    Phat
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    Message 1211 of 1864 (906466)
    02-12-2023 12:17 PM
    Reply to: Message 1208 by candle2
    02-12-2023 11:34 AM


    Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
    Speaking of fairy tales...
    What do you make of this scripture:
    Matt 12:38-40 writes:
    Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."
    39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
    NKJV
    Quit looking for signs from Ron Wyatt.

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    candle2
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    Message 1212 of 1864 (906477)
    02-12-2023 1:24 PM
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    02-12-2023 12:17 PM


    Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
    Phat, I am not sure when I posted this.
    I mean the message in Matthew 12:38-40.
    And, I am not quite sure who your message is to.
    In any event, the Apostle Matthew wrote the text
    about Jesus being in the tomb for three days AND
    three nights.
    I don't know what denomination Ron Wyatt belonged
    to, nor do I know how much time he believed that
    Jesus was in the grave.
    If I had to guess I would say that Ron Wyatt probably
    agreed with the misconception that Jesus was in the
    tomb for one day and two nights.
    Phat, just for the sake of argument, suppose that Jesus
    was in the tomb for three days and three nights, how
    would you yourself reword these verses to make it
    clearer?
    It isn't a trick question? How would you Word it?

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    candle2
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    Message 1213 of 1864 (906480)
    02-12-2023 2:01 PM
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    02-12-2023 11:43 AM


    Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
    AZPaul3, tell us all. How do these giant mud fossils
    fit in with your so-called theory of evolution.
    There is far too much evidence that they exist.
    Let me guess!
    You will deny against overwhelming odd that they exist.
    The ancients Greeks based their legend of titans on
    these fossils.

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    Phat
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    Message 1214 of 1864 (906481)
    02-12-2023 2:08 PM
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    02-12-2023 1:24 PM


    Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
    I dont concern myself with the issue of whether it was three days or two. I don't let myself get caught up in minor areas of scriptural interpretation because I am not trying to defend one church's interpretations nor attack another. I simply believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead. (or was raised by His Father.) Personally I believe that Jesus is God. I believe that He was and is His Fathers human character. The rest of the interpretation is simply semantics.

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    AZPaul3
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    Message 1215 of 1864 (906486)
    02-12-2023 2:37 PM
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    02-12-2023 2:01 PM


    Re: Trin Trinity Trin Trinity Trin Trin Teree ©
    I don't concern myself with your geologic fantasies. I don't let myself get caught up in the stupidity of extreme religious zealots.

    Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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