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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Sounds like an exact quote from me. Cleverbot is watching. Sounds better than a response from you!"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Because we know it isn't true.
Why would we only pretend? Phat writes:
You seem to believe in your own ability to create a God better than the ones in the Bible. Essentially we would be believing in ourselves...."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I thought you hated humanists. Why would God use somebody as an operative "for" them? Or did you mean "false flag"? Bart is an unabashed humanist, but both his Dad and I think that God is using him as a stealth operative for humanists."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What does THAT mean? I meant a stealth Christian penetrating humanism"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You have the gall to suggest that I am subverting the secular humanist "camp" with a Christian message? It means that even though one "leaves" Christianity, they have the Spirit and carry "it" into the secular humanist camp. They spread the message without need of mentioning "the messenger"."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I don't self-identify as an atheist. Too many people, including you, assume that an atheist is against God, hates God, doesn't want to be under God's authority, etc. I'm not sure what ringo believes, but he never straight-up says he is an atheist. I self-identify as agnostic - but according to the broad definition of "atheist", I don't believe in any gods. And for the record, YOUR God is one of the least likely to be real. It is quite obviously made up and thoroughly inconsistent."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Your puny, made-up god is at the top of the list.
...none of the small g ones....which in my mind are fakes or wannabes. I suppose you would put my God in that category. Phat writes:
Certainly not. I have said more than once that there's more likely to be many than one.
But don't you believe that there is One, rather than relatively many? Phat writes:
Of course it doesn't. Have you ever read any of my posts?
Or do you think that the universe needs no designer? Phat writes:
Did you write that with a straight face? I'm not even going to tell you what's stupid about it. Figure it out for yourself and then tell me what's stupid about it. I think you once postulated that "In The Beginning....chemicals. I would assert that a chemist would precede the chemicals."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
It's the same with children. Your own are special. Gods is gods. So what is it about your god that is supposed to make it so special? Just because it happens to be yours? People used to tell my mother, "Your children are so well-behaved." (And as I recall, we were.) Mom would mutter, "You should see them at home.""Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
How does that follow? If we don't even know what the Source was, how can it possibly have any importance? At this point, the Source (the author or authors of the scroll)becomes as important as Content (what the scroll says.) "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
How is that clear? The Gospels are clearly written to be believed."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
You're thinking backwards. They're foundational documants because people believe them. They're only foundational AFTER they are believed. But why are they believed?
There are the foundational documents for a new movement. GDR writes:
It isn't at all unusual for people to die for what they believe in. Mormons are a good example. Does persecution of the Mormons add credibility to their Book?
Many people gave them so much credence that they dedicated their lives to following them, and many died for the stories in them. GDR writes:
I'm asking what's obvious about it and you're not answering. Compare it to the Book of Mormon. Why is the Bible more obviously true than the Book of Mormon? I say that not to give them authenticity, but simply to say that they were written in a manner with the intent that others would believe them. I'd also say that is pretty obvious and I have to wonder why you would ask the question."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Writing The Lord of the Rings was also a time-and-labor-intensive task. Tolkien even created vast genealogies and histories that he didn't even need for the book. It obviously compelled someone to take the painstaking task of recording stories and thoughts on a scroll...quite a time and labor-intensive task. How does that make it less fictional?Edited by ringo, . "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nor is there any evidence that they were knowingly or intentionally writing news stories to wrap fish in. There is no (direct) evidence of their intentions. First, Tolkien clearly set out to write fiction. There is no evidence that any known authors of any part of the Bible were knowingly or intentionally writing fiction. But we do know that some writers write fiction.
Phat writes:
You should learn to read. It's a useful skill. You just assume that its fiction because the main character in the book has no external evidence of existence. I didn't say it "was" fiction. I questioned GDR's claim that it is "clearly" non-fiction.
Phat writes:
I keep asking you and you never answer: Why do you keep talking about skepticism as if it was a bad thing? Answer me, please.
And even that sounds like a kangaroo court of skeptics and infidels. Phat writes:
Do you ever think for yourself?
I looked up what individuals on Quora said: Phat writes:
Well, the truth does tend to resemble the truth, whereas fiction and lies are more far-reaching.
Ouch! He sounds similar to you guys. Phat writes:
What relevance does that have? I will note, for the record, that none of these quora people self-identify as Christians."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
We've been over your point many times. Why can't we move on? ... that is an entirely different subject than what my point was. MY point is that you have not distinguished YOUR faith from any other faith. In a topic titled Choosing a faith, shouldn't we be comparing faiths instead of just making assertions about one faith? "Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Yes, unlike you, the rest of us have no lives and nothing to do but hang around here waiting for you to reply. keeping up is a full time job and I actually do have a life. (FYI, I'm discussing several different topics at once.) As Percy has been trying to tell you, rehashing the same points over and over is pointless. What this topic needs is exploration of a few rabbit holes."Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg. What's going on? Where are all the friends I had? It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong. Give me back, give me back my Leningrad." -- Leningrad Cowboys
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