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ringo
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Message 670 of 3694 (898571)
09-26-2022 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 669 by Phat
09-26-2022 1:19 PM


Re: Developing A Relationship With Cleverbot
Phat writes:
Sounds better than a response from you!
Sounds like an exact quote from me. Cleverbot is watching.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 689 of 3694 (898600)
09-26-2022 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 681 by Phat
09-26-2022 3:57 PM


Re: Developing A Relationship With Cleverbot
Phat writes:
Why would we only pretend?
Because we know it isn't true.
Phat writes:
Essentially we would be believing in ourselves....
You seem to believe in your own ability to create a God better than the ones in the Bible.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 696 of 3694 (898630)
09-27-2022 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 691 by Phat
09-27-2022 10:21 AM


Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes:
Bart is an unabashed humanist, but both his Dad and I think that God is using him as a stealth operative for humanists.
I thought you hated humanists. Why would God use somebody as an operative "for" them? Or did you mean "false flag"?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 699 of 3694 (898644)
09-27-2022 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 698 by Phat
09-27-2022 1:06 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes:
I meant a stealth Christian penetrating humanism
What does THAT mean?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 706 of 3694 (898678)
09-27-2022 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 702 by Phat
09-27-2022 3:27 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes:
It means that even though one "leaves" Christianity, they have the Spirit and carry "it" into the secular humanist camp. They spread the message without need of mentioning "the messenger".
You have the gall to suggest that I am subverting the secular humanist "camp" with a Christian message?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 707 of 3694 (898679)
09-27-2022 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 701 by Phat
09-27-2022 3:25 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes:
I'm not sure what ringo believes, but he never straight-up says he is an atheist.
I don't self-identify as an atheist. Too many people, including you, assume that an atheist is against God, hates God, doesn't want to be under God's authority, etc.
I self-identify as agnostic - but according to the broad definition of "atheist", I don't believe in any gods.
And for the record, YOUR God is one of the least likely to be real. It is quite obviously made up and thoroughly inconsistent.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 712 of 3694 (898727)
09-28-2022 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 711 by Phat
09-28-2022 12:52 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
Phat writes:
...none of the small g ones....which in my mind are fakes or wannabes. I suppose you would put my God in that category.
Your puny, made-up god is at the top of the list.
Phat writes:
But don't you believe that there is One, rather than relatively many?
Certainly not. I have said more than once that there's more likely to be many than one.
Phat writes:
Or do you think that the universe needs no designer?
Of course it doesn't. Have you ever read any of my posts?
Phat writes:
I think you once postulated that "In The Beginning....chemicals. I would assert that a chemist would precede the chemicals.
Did you write that with a straight face? I'm not even going to tell you what's stupid about it. Figure it out for yourself and then tell me what's stupid about it.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 714 of 3694 (898732)
09-28-2022 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 713 by dwise1
09-28-2022 3:47 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
dwise1 writes:
Gods is gods.

So what is it about your god that is supposed to make it so special? Just because it happens to be yours?
It's the same with children. Your own are special.
People used to tell my mother, "Your children are so well-behaved." (And as I recall, we were.)
Mom would mutter, "You should see them at home."

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 722 of 3694 (898746)
09-29-2022 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 718 by Phat
09-29-2022 7:45 AM


Re: Tales Told Around Campfires
Phat writes:
At this point, the Source (the author or authors of the scroll)becomes as important as Content (what the scroll says.)
How does that follow? If we don't even know what the Source was, how can it possibly have any importance?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 725 of 3694 (898751)
09-29-2022 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by GDR
09-29-2022 1:03 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
GDR writes:
The Gospels are clearly written to be believed.
How is that clear?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 746 of 3694 (898786)
09-29-2022 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 731 by GDR
09-29-2022 3:38 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
GDR writes:
There are the foundational documents for a new movement.
You're thinking backwards. They're foundational documants because people believe them. They're only foundational AFTER they are believed. But why are they believed?
GDR writes:
Many people gave them so much credence that they dedicated their lives to following them, and many died for the stories in them.
It isn't at all unusual for people to die for what they believe in. Mormons are a good example. Does persecution of the Mormons add credibility to their Book?
GDR writes:
I say that not to give them authenticity, but simply to say that they were written in a manner with the intent that others would believe them. I'd also say that is pretty obvious and I have to wonder why you would ask the question.
I'm asking what's obvious about it and you're not answering. Compare it to the Book of Mormon. Why is the Bible more obviously true than the Book of Mormon?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 747 of 3694 (898787)
09-29-2022 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 740 by Phat
09-29-2022 8:16 PM


Re: Tales Told Around Campfires
Phat writes:
It obviously compelled someone to take the painstaking task of recording stories and thoughts on a scroll...quite a time and labor-intensive task.
Writing The Lord of the Rings was also a time-and-labor-intensive task. Tolkien even created vast genealogies and histories that he didn't even need for the book.
How does that make it less fictional?

Edited by ringo, .


"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 754 of 3694 (898803)
09-30-2022 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 750 by Phat
09-30-2022 3:48 AM


Re: Tales Told Around Campfires
Phat writes:
First, Tolkien clearly set out to write fiction. There is no evidence that any known authors of any part of the Bible were knowingly or intentionally writing fiction.
Nor is there any evidence that they were knowingly or intentionally writing news stories to wrap fish in. There is no (direct) evidence of their intentions.
But we do know that some writers write fiction.
Phat writes:
You just assume that its fiction because the main character in the book has no external evidence of existence.
You should learn to read. It's a useful skill.
I didn't say it "was" fiction. I questioned GDR's claim that it is "clearly" non-fiction.
Phat writes:
And even that sounds like a kangaroo court of skeptics and infidels.
I keep asking you and you never answer: Why do you keep talking about skepticism as if it was a bad thing? Answer me, please.
Phat writes:
I looked up what individuals on Quora said:
Do you ever think for yourself?
Phat writes:
Ouch! He sounds similar to you guys.
Well, the truth does tend to resemble the truth, whereas fiction and lies are more far-reaching.
Phat writes:
I will note, for the record, that none of these quora people self-identify as Christians.
What relevance does that have?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 770 of 3694 (898830)
09-30-2022 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 764 by GDR
09-30-2022 5:58 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
GDR writes:
... that is an entirely different subject than what my point was.
We've been over your point many times. Why can't we move on?
MY point is that you have not distinguished YOUR faith from any other faith. In a topic titled Choosing a faith, shouldn't we be comparing faiths instead of just making assertions about one faith?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 773 of 3694 (898834)
09-30-2022 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 772 by GDR
09-30-2022 8:27 PM


Re: What does God want of Us
GDR writes:
keeping up is a full time job and I actually do have a life.
Yes, unlike you, the rest of us have no lives and nothing to do but hang around here waiting for you to reply.
(FYI, I'm discussing several different topics at once.)
As Percy has been trying to tell you, rehashing the same points over and over is pointless. What this topic needs is exploration of a few rabbit holes.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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