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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Didnt scientists kill Aborigines in Australia to take back to England and proclaim them as the missing link? quote: Source about 2/3 down under Anthropological interest. As appalling as this is by today's standards it comes as no surprise that today's modern creationists twist it sicker still in lying about scientists and outright murder in violation of their god's commandment. Another excellent example of the oxymoron "religious morality." Edited by AZPaul3, : detailed the source. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Are you saying that we are not more evolved than pond scum? Yes, I am a godless atheist and an evolutionist but let me take a different slant on this question. The mere fact that you ask this shows an abhorrent lack of knowledge in the field. You do not know what evolution really means or how evolution is really said to work. How can you intellectually fight against something of which you have no knowledge? You are in here to do battle and you are hopelessly unarmed! Know thine enemy! Go learn something about the subject before continuing to look so stupid. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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How about you use arguments instead of immature insults. What insults? When someone is looking stu*id you are doing them a favor, a kindness, to let them know.
My understanding is that we evolved from pond scum, hence we must be more evolved than it. This is the point. Evolution is not some scale of comparison. There is no "evolved more" or "evolved less." There is only "evolved differently." This is the kind of thing that rings bells in my head. No one who understands (Note I did not say believes) the processes of evolution could ever make such a mistake. This leads inevitably to questions of how much more you do not understand about vectors of mutation, natural selection, genetic drift and a whole slue of other evolution sub-topics. If for no other reason than your own ego, Portillo, take the time to learn a subject before walking in here unarmed to do battle. And caution. What you may have heard or read on creationist sites or from creationist books do not give the whole story. A lot of those guys have no idea what they are talking about. As I said before, I am an atheist and an evolutionist. But I read the bible and the creation sites and Behe's books, just so I am armed on the field of battle. I strongly suggest you do the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------- What's with the *** instead of the word stu*id? Who's idea was this?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
What your research tells you is that humans are not related to any species of ape alive today. Why the lie?
Great ape relationships ------------------------------------------------------------- Appologies. Let me start again.
Another study here. An essay on the evidence Tree of Life Web Project with just a whole ton of references for this relationship Was this opinion of yours formed based on some disagreement with the plethora of studies (see short listing above) documenting the fact of a very close evolutionary relathionship among the present hominids (which includes Homo sapiens) or are you just too damn *** to do any research at all before spouting this kind of garbage? Edited by AZPaul3, : kinder gentler me
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
So every living and perhaps non living thing are all 100% equally evolved? If by 100% you mean have they evolved to their present attributes then ... obviously. If you are suggesting that evolution is complete and will now stop then only if a species goes extinct will its evolution stop. More change is on the way. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : mor spelin
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Problema? Oh, yes. "More" change does not mean "more" evolved. It means evolved differently. The semantics between the two uses of the word "more" are key. In your case the useage is quantity. In Portillo's case the usage is direction, purpose, quality. Your usage can be seen as technically correct. Portillo's is most certainly not. The regulars here know you understand this, CS, so I have to question the quibble. Edited by AZPaul3, : afterthought
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
"More" change does not mean "more" evolved. Evolution *is* change... And more change is still evolution, not "more" evolution.
Hey, I see here where Percy has been making this same point, Message 214:
quote: I don't see a problem with that, in particular. Neither do I since Percy is talking about the amount of change in each species evolution, not whether one is "more" evolved than another.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The whole thing comes down to misunderstanding "more evolved"' to mean "better or more advanced than" rather than using it correctly to describe the genetic distance between two organisms, whether comparing two contemporaneous species, or a species and its ancestral form. Could be, indeed. But in Portillo's case I doubt the subtlety would be recognized. It is best, IMO, to stay away from such distinctions and make a complete separation.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I'd type in the code to demonstrate, but it wouldn't appear as text since it's designed not to. You can show dBcodes in your message by using the [noparse] ... [/noparse] set of codes. I'll bookend these on a quote square. See Peek.
[qs] some verbiage [/qs] here's your amblo from the prior message:
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Ambulocetus_et_pakicetus.jpg/250px-Ambulocetus_et_pakicetus.jpg[/img] Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
There are plenty of areas on the planet only gotton to over the last 200 years eg Australia and there are no ape people here or in Africa or anywhere else. No humans in Australia prior to 200 years ago? You jest.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
"MISSING LINK" MISSING THE POINT? by Lloyd Pye From a guy who thinks humans were created by an alien race. Portillo, sorry friend, but this is just plain assed dumb ***!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I dont see whats so dumb about it, It's Lloyd Pye, nutjob extraordinaire. Have you read any of his books? Do you know anything of his nutjob views? Do you really want to use him as a source and be seen in the same light?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Below is a link to a creationist refute for TOE.
Missing Link
| Answers in Genesis
This "refute" hinges on one assumption. That mutation can only cause a loss of "information". Meaning that information cannot be made by natural processes in evolution. Here is a refutation to your refute:
Evolution and the Origin of Biological Information These kinds of studies showing, indeed proving, that biological information can and indeed is increased through mutation and natural selection, have been around for many years. Yet creationists continue to close their eyes, plug their ears and chant "It did not happen. It did not happen." In other words. Creationists lie. It appears you support these lies, Mazzy. This doesn't bother you? By the way, about this "no humans in Australia before 200 years ago" thing. Aren't you the least bit embarrassed by that lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Here is an example of a creationists ability to interpret what "is observed" in favour of creation. http://www.trueorigin.org/ng_whales01.asp Except the creationist interpretation (based on Yahya's 2001 pre-ordained conclusion from Allah then cherry picking the evidence to support it) turned out to be wrong. What a surprise. Here is a real intellectual treatment of the data from almost a decade after Yahya's Allah-inspired and errant interpretation.
The origin and early evolution of whales: macroevolution documented on the Indian Subcontinent It's a PDF file. Again, Mazzy, this information has been around for years, yet you reach back almost a decade to propagate a falsehood. Why?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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You evos would have been better off if an ape man was found. But it hasn't and that supports creation in its simplicity and parsinomy. If there were some sister species to H. sapiens alive today this would not affect the Theory. We would know their evolutionary path and why they survived. The fact that there is no sister species to H. sapiens alive today, and we know why, does not present a problem for the Theory either. Neither scenario gives any support to creationism. "Godonit" may appear parsimonious but is demonstrably false. You are right about one thing, however. Creationism is about as simple minded as you can get. ***, ***, ***!
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