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Author Topic:   Why are there no human apes alive today?
Databed
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Message 79 of 1075 (524257)
09-15-2009 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Doubletime
06-18-2009 6:06 AM


Why haven't humans lived in the jungles where gorillas live? The answer is probably very similar to the answer for, "Why aren't Neanderthals there wiping out gorillas?"
Neanderthal did not evolve to live in jungles, they evolved to live in the exact same niche as modern humans. Since modern man was better at it, we wiped them out. Simple as that.
Hominids weren't good at living in the niche that apes lived in. True, today we can live anywhere due to our technology, but do you think a family of man could survive in the jungles along side apes without any modern conveniences like guns or weapons and modern tools? I don't think so.

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Databed
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Message 82 of 1075 (524429)
09-16-2009 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by caffeine
09-16-2009 5:19 AM


Re: Jungle men
Well, my point is that the niches of neanderthals and humans overlapped which probably led to the extinction of the species. The fact that gorillas and apes still have habitat that is undisturbed by humans is why they are still around. Their niches simply don't overlap or at least they have stabilized in a way where they don't overlap.
Humans,historically have not lived in the places where gorillas currently live. If they did, the gorillas would not be around. I'm in no way saying that gorillas have not been displaced and are not endangered by human deforestation and habitation today.

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Databed
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Message 84 of 1075 (524455)
09-16-2009 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Hyroglyphx
09-16-2009 3:16 PM


By living where gorillas live I obviously mean competing in the same niche and location. No one lives with gorillas in this sense. Poachers definitely don't fit this description and even in the literal sense, which is how I guess my statement was taken, they still don't live there.
Also, I guess I should have made it clearer that I am speaking in an evolutionary sense for humans, which includes the last 2 million years or so. In this sense, I wasn't really thinking of men with guns and trucks.
My point was that humans were never competing for any niches that apes occupy. They weren't fit for those niches regardless of competition.

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Databed
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Message 87 of 1075 (524536)
09-17-2009 11:23 AM
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09-16-2009 5:25 PM


There are thousands of different jungle niches. You seem to be confusing jungle niche with jungle habitat. Take a look at the typical diet of a mountain gorilla (this is part of its niche, food, in case you didn't know), an ape that lives on the ground just as hominids. This is no where close to what our diet can consist of. We can't digest leaves and stems which is about 85% of their diet and they have to eat a lot of it. Further, there isn't much other food available in these locations.
The whole point I was trying to make is that hominids are not fit to live in niches that apes occupy and that's why we don't find them there. Modern human consumed every niche that a hominid can occupy and therefore all other hominids were wiped out and many apes were not. This is not complicated.
BTW, sorry if I strayed from my original point, I was having to defend against people nitpicking my original post.
Edited by Databed, : No reason given.

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