Why are there no human apes alive today?

But you have agreed that Turkana boy is both human and ape, so it follows that you're an ape, surely? And, as you're alive, then there are clearly still "human apes" alive today, making nonsense of this topic's title.

Changing your mind in the face of finding new information is a very good thing to do, and I think you should make a habit of it. But an interesting point is this. You are dividing apes into one group and humans into another. If they are two such distinct groups, then it's surprising to find that you had so much trouble with Turkana boy. And it is also surprising that creationists are divided on the point. If there are two clearly distinct groups then, by definition, it should be easy to distinguish.I find it so hard to draw a line that I call them all apes. Why on earth are those things "lifelines"? What are the main points? If your central argument is that we are not related to the other apes, your difficulty in deciding which side of the supposed divide Turkana boy is on effectively has refuted it. We'll call him a "creationist transitional" until the creationists have a united view on the subject. I agree entirely, and it's good to find common ground. Do you mean that there are many different ways in which the Creation could have happened? You sound rather more open-minded than some of your fellow creationists. "Appears ape like" is very vague. I once knew a guy who looked remarkably like some of the reconstructions of Turkana boy. And we're only a mutation or two away from being very very hairy. I think it's more a case of you putting up theoretical evidence against biologists looking at real evidence. The true sign of transition is when things are difficult to classify. There's certainly substance in that point. When we find ourselves looking at fossils and saying "is this more of a fish than it is an amphibian", or "is this more of a mammal than it is a reptile", then the honest and astute readers of evidence amongst us realise that we're looking at macro-evolution. Big time.I certainly agree with you on mind changing, and if you keep examining Turkana boy every so often, you might easily find your views in a constant state of flux.There's a reason for that.

Thanks for clearing that up for us, Joseph, and welcome back. Is this a view of the universe with all of time being created at the creation point that you're describing?And if the maths destroys evolution, could you show us the workings in detail? You could wait until last Friday to show us if you want to.

But can you show the detailed workings? And how many dimensions are involved?

But it might do if you consider the seed factor in relation to the time factor in respect of the role of the ape host parents, even without added dimensions, and do the math.

I had no idea what topic he was or wasn't on. How does one tell? I was just seeing if I could speak Josephish.