Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?

More unsupported assertion that is just totally unrelated to the topic.You asked for an example of a test, and I provided one.If life was designed why don't we see what we do see in things we do know are designed?But even here the issue remains, even where we can see design, other than as an historical footnote or in the case of product liability suits, does the designer matter?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

First of all you know damn well you were talking about a mechanical radio not radio waves.
You would have to seriously up-grade to reach disingenuous.Definition: radio (by Websters)Noun 1. Medium for communication.
2. An electronic receiver that detects and demodulates and amplifies transmitted signals.
3. A communication system based on broadcasting electromagnetic waves.What exactly are the stars and other objects communicating and who are they communicating to?

I would imagine it could provide additional insight into how the designer did what he/she/it did. By knowing who the designer was we could gleam what the designer’s purpose was. Or seek additional ways to have direct input from said designer. Imagine how much we could know if we could get it directly from the source. Instead of having to painstakingly discover and assimilate each new piece of evidence. I think that the importance of truly knowing who the designer was could have an almost endless amount of consequences for the world. For example, we could finally stop all this mess of holy wars against religions that differ from our chosen path. If everyone knew for a fact that it was Bob Dobbs that created the universe, than it would be silly to have so many varied religions and disputes over which religion is correct. It was Bob Dobbs end of discussion, get back to slacking off.Edited by rueh, : spelling

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'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

LOLCommunication is irrelevant.Long long ago and far far away when I was building my first few radios I broadcast every night. Seldom had the speaker hooked up since it was after I was supposed to be asleep so I never knew if I communicated with anyone.BUT ...that is also irrelevant, just as with autos, other than the two areas I mentioned, as an historical footnote or in the case of product liability suits, does it matter if there was a designer?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Does it matter what the designers purpose was?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Well it does supply an answer for pure curiosities sake. It also allows us to be able to determine how we can live life so as to fulfill that purpose. So yes I think it does matter for some at least to know the purpose of why the designer did what they did.

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'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

But again, what does "live life so as to fulfill that purpose" have to do with the question asked in the topic? Should I only use a tool as the designer intended? Can I use a radio as a pedestal base for a lamp or a hammer as a door stop?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

In your OP you ask I am merely providing additional areas where knowing the identity of said designer could have value for some people. It may not hold value for you, but there are others out there I imagine that would find importance in it. Being able to tell if life was actualy designed or not would open up other areas of research into who the designer was, how they operated, why they did what they did. These are areas of value that go beyond historical footnotes or product liability. Edited by rueh, : Change message subtitle

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'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

when Ringo asked for a test did you not ask for him to provide one first? See Message 113.I provided a test: "If there was a designer we would see good ideas propagate throughout the models, if there is not a designer we should see "just good enough" critters that do not incorporate good ideas from other models."I'll repeat it here so you don't have to look it up in Message 116.

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There is also the fact that the designer is too stupid to adopt good ideas.

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Consider cars. There are many species or kinds of cars, Packard, Ford, Chevy, Mercedes, Humber, DKW, AutoUnion, Alfa Romeo, Citroen just as there are many kinds of mammals, lions, tigers, bears, man, orangutan, elephant, horse and of course, ohmys.

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The difference between something designed, like cars, and those things that are not designed like mammals though can be seen in the difference in how good ideas do not propagate through out the living species or kinds.

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In the early 1920s power windshield wipers appeared on the first car. Within only a few years they were found on every car.

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In 1923 the first standard equipment radio appeared. Within only a few years they were found on every car.

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In 1939, Buick introduced turn signals. Within only a few years they were found on every car.

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The list is almost endless.

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* electric wipers instead of vacuum.
* internal combustion engines.
* radial tires.
* heaters.
* air conditioning.
* roll down windows.
* headlights.
* mirrors.
* steering wheels.
* tops.
* spare tires.
* space saver spares.
* starters.
* the change from generator to alternator.

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I could go on but that list should give you an idea.

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In each instance this was a new feature that first appeared in only one make, sometimes only one model of a car. The designer though took good ideas from one model and applied those same ideas to EVERY model.

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We do not see that when we look at examples of living critters. The humans brain is not then repeated in all mammals, the eagles eyes are not then repeated in all animals, good features, advances do not get incorporated across all the makes and models, species or kind, of mammals.

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Looking at living critters what we find is NOT Intelligent Design.

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Looking at the evidence what we see is what would be expected if there was no designer.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

What in that list is more than an historic footnote?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Well as I said previously it provides additional areas of research. That is certainly more than a historic footnote. Maybe I am missing your point on historic footnote. Why do think that new lines of evidence or areas of research are merely historical footnotes?

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'Qui non intelligit, aut taceat, aut discat'
The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it is open.-FZ
The industrial revolution, flipped a bitch on evolution.-NOFX

Well, look at the evidence.We don't really know who the inventor or designer of the first radio is, we certainly don't know who the designer of almost anything we use is. It might be interesting and so worth a foot note that for example Harvey Earl introduce tail fins and that the first concept car that lead to the Corvette was originally "Project Opel".Stuff like that is interesting but just a footnote.I have a friend who is one of those inveterate tinkerers. He seems to always find new uses for stuff, things that certainly were not the intended use of the products designer.Sure it might be interesting to know who really designed the first radio or phone or car or train or baby bottle, but does it really matter if the first radio was designed by Lodge or Popov or Dolbear or Tesla or Marconi or ... ?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

A house is just a building. A home becomes a home because of human interaction. It has meaning, feeling, and purpose.Likewise, a universe is just a bunch of stars, gases and planets. It only has meaning for us, as a species, if we find intelligence and other life. (or perhaps minerals to mine and exploit, making some of us wealthy!!) If we were to actually know of a designer, it would be the most important advance in society akin to discovering life on another planet! (I mean real life btw..not simple pond scum)

jar provided a test that your designer fails. Now it's your turn. Show us a test that your designer can pass. Show us a real-world experiment that has different results for a designer than for no designer. You claim that the designer matters, but you haven't shown how he/she/it makes any difference in the real world.

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