Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?

"IF" there is a designer and "IF" he is the Yahweh of the Holy Bible and "IF" what the bible says is true, then it absolutely matters because where you spend all of eternity is at stake.IF there is no designer then nothing matters because there is no purpose.
IF there is a designer and he has a grand purpose for his design then everything matters.What is the value of the designer? IF the design could not exist without the designer then his value is all of existence!IF is a big word.

Loud and clear for me.I'm not even a little bit surprised that the simplest truth is unclear to you jar. YES it absolutely matters. Without the designer of those items we would not have any of those items!!!
....I've heard of the light being on but nobody home but your house doesn't even have a candle burningEdited by ICdesign, : No reason given.

If they were not designed by a designer would they exist?

Yes jar. Yes yes yes. IF nothing can exist without the designer then the designer matters.You never answered my question. Could the radio or the automobile exist without a designer?
Why is that?

The thread is not about IF the designer exists but IF it matters IF he does exist.

Show me your evidence that it doesn't matter. Show me one without the aid of a designed computer. We were talking about an automobile not mobility. And this is why I laugh when I hear you spouting off about being a Christian

You first

What a completely stupid argument. God is a creative genius. The variety of different creatures and various features was intentional. He could have easily made everything the same as a moron such as yourself would have done.Its the same old argument with you people. You are so arrogant that your argument is "If I were God I would have done it like such and so." You make me want to puke.

Key word being "Our".I"ll tell you what there subbie. When "Your" people show me how to create life from nothing I'll be the first to worship at "your" altar.Till then I will worship at the altar of the one who CAN create life from nothing.You guys go ahead and wallow around in your stupidity, I have more important things to tend to...
IC

First of all you know damn well you were talking about a mechanical radio not radio waves.
You would have to seriously up-grade to reach disingenuous.Definition: radio (by Websters)Noun 1. Medium for communication.
2. An electronic receiver that detects and demodulates and amplifies transmitted signals.
3. A communication system based on broadcasting electromagnetic waves.What exactly are the stars and other objects communicating and who are they communicating to?

I already told you I thought your automobile analogy was stupid. I'm not going to repeat my reasons for not respecting your so-called test but feel free to revisit Message 117.
How God would have done it if he were as smart as me is not a test that I recognize.He did not do things as YOU see fit! He did things as HE saw fit to accomplish the goals and purposes of his plan. Who cares how you or any of you think it "should" have been done? Who the hell do you think you are? NO we wouldn't. "Good enough" takes incredibly intelligent designed systems working in harmony to achieve the end result. To even refer to life as we see it as "just good enough" is an understatement of monumental proportions!Got to run,
ICOne living cell is more complex than the space shuttle. Would you call the space shuttle "just good enough"?

I'll be happy to school you another time and another thread of the vast complexity of a cell and how arrogant your "just good enough" comments are, but for now lets address your so-called test. Your standard for the test is assuming that you know what God's intentions were when he created everything. Was his intention to create everything to be the best he knew how to make it?
(I'm sure this is probably above your head jar but try to keep up so I don't have to see another
"Huh?" from you.)Could God have created, man for example, to run faster, be stronger, see better, never get sick,
have poop that doesn't stink and so on and so forth? You and your evolutionist friends are convinced that what we see is the very best God was capable of producing.
With that mindset I can understand your misunderstanding of what we see in the world from a God who is said to be Omnipotent and Omniscient.So, for your test to be a valid test God had to be trying to create every aspect of his creation to be the best and most perfect in every way that he was capable of producing.
Using the bible show me your evidence that this was God's intention.ICdesignEdited by ICdesign, : No reason given.

It has everything to do with intent. Your arrogance offends me to the point of literally making me sick to my stomach.
Your going to hold God liable? I never said God is not doing his best. You don't know what the end goal is or what path has to be taken to reach that goal. Only God knows. That's why he is God and your not.
His ways are not our ways.
As it says in 2Corinthians 12:9 ...power is perfected in weakness.God has a plan and we are in the middle of the execution of his divine plan. Period.I find your arrogance so incredibly offensive that I will not correspond any further with you jar.ICdesign

I can't stand it anymore jar. I just can't can't let you get away with using these idiotic lines of
"reasoning" as if they disprove a designer. As far as your arrogance and blasphemy is concerned, I am going to symbolically put my fingers in my ears and go "blubbuldy blubbuldy blubbildy, and find contentment in knowing you will be dealt with on your future appointment with the Judge Jesus Christ of whom you claim to be following. First of all, all mammals have common features that are necessary to survive here on planet earth.
This fact is one of the driving forces behind the ToE. Wipers: Not all wipers are electric. In trucks for instance, some are air and some are electric. And so what anyway. If a car maker chose to use a vacuum wiper, does that in any way prove their isn't a car designer? Its a good idea to have intermediate wipers. Some cars don't have that feature, some have two settings and some have six settings.Variation in design doesn't prove anything other than design ideas are flexible.Internal combustion engines: You have internal combustion and you have rotary engines. You have diesel engines. You have 600hp engines and you have little 50hp engines.Variation in design doesn't prove anything other than design ideas are flexible.
I could go right down your list and refute your premise with every feature.The point I was trying to make before is that it was not God's intent to give every creature the same feature nor was it his intent to make every feature as strong and powerful as he was capable of making them. Could he have given man the same vision as he did the eagle? Of course.
Could every car manufacturer have put electric windows in every model they produce? Of course.
Did they? No. Were the cars with manual windows designed by a designer?Digging deep to regain a respectful tone,
IC