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Message 96 of 214 (598311)
12-30-2010 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Philip Johnson
12-30-2010 9:28 AM


Re: Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?
Yes it does. If the Designer designed that if you fall 40+ feet you will likely die, then it does matter that you avoid falling 40+ feet if you do not want to die.
No. If falling 40 feet will kill you, you want to avoid falling 40 feet. And that's regardless of whether a designer is involved or not.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 97 of 214 (598312)
12-30-2010 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Larni
12-29-2010 6:38 PM


Re: Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?
Comets that might one day hit Earth and ruin my day.
Typical atheistic evilutionistic response, only thinking of yourself and not all of jeebus's creatures. (Sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on.)

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 100 of 214 (598320)
12-30-2010 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Philip Johnson
12-30-2010 10:02 AM


Re: Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?
The initial question is based on the idea that there IS a designer. The initial question was "Even if THERE WAS a Designer, does it matter?"
So yes it does. If the Designer designed that if you fall 40+ feet you will likely die, then it does matter that you avoid falling 40+ feet if you do not want to die.
The world is as it is. The question asks what difference would it make if there is or isn't a designer. We die if we fall 40 feet. This is a fact. (Actually, I'm aware that there are many exceptions to this "fact" but I'm willing to overlook them for purposes of this discussion, so pedants back off.) Whether we were designed this way or we are the result of an evolutionary process does not change the fact.
Likewise, just as you should pay attention to the natural laws that the Designer designed, you should pay attention to the spiritual laws that the Designer designed.
So it would seem to matter a great deal IF there was a Designer (which is the question of this topic).
No, it really isn't. The actual topic relates to ID and how the existence of a designer would advance our understanding of the real world. The spiritual stuff is totally off topic.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 115 of 214 (598359)
12-30-2010 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by ICdesign
12-30-2010 11:27 AM


"IF" there is a designer and "IF" he is the Yahweh of the Holy Bible and "IF" what the bible says is true, then it absolutely matters because where you spend all of eternity is at stake.
I'll write this slowly so you can read it slowly and try to understand the point.
The universe exists. There are certain truths about the universe that we can learn through study. These things will be true whether a designer exists or doesn't.
Our best theory now states that things came about by natural processes. Your belief is that it was designed and created by a deity.
What difference does it make as far as our understanding of the universe is concerned which of the two are more accurate? The thread is not about spiritual or supernatural or mystical differences between the two; any idiot can see what those differences are, as you are showing us. The question is what difference does it make as far as studying the universe and understanding it is concerned.
If you cannot understand and keep in mind this difference, you are intellectually incapable of staying on topic in this thread.
If my understanding of the topic of the thread is inaccurate, I'm sure jar is more than capable of correcting me, and I would welcome further guidance from him if I am in error.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 120 of 214 (598366)
12-30-2010 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by ICdesign
12-30-2010 2:33 PM


Except that the merits of the different concepts is not the topic of this thread. You do know what a topic is, don't you?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 138 of 214 (598400)
12-30-2010 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by ICdesign
12-30-2010 4:41 PM


A vignette
Creo: It's all designed!
Scientist: How do you know?
Creo: It looks designed!
Scientist: But it doesn't look like anything man would design.
Creo: That's because God doesn't design like man does.
Scientist: If it doesn't look like anything man designed, how do you know it's designed?
Creo: Because it looks like it's designed!
Scientist bangs head against wall until creo leaves.
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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