Women and the Fundamentalist View of Marriage

One reason men are the head of the home is the mood related problems some woman are known to experience at their time of the month. As women get older they experience menopause mood problems due to hormone related problems.If a woman has an historectomy is it not much harder to control mood related problems even with hormonal medication. I personally would not want a woman pastor cause of the mood of the woman might flip over something trivial. But I'll grant you that its never trivial from a moody womans point of view.Thankfully there is holistic natural compounding pharmacy horomones for the suffering lady that had an historectomy (more natural e3 estrogen less e2 etc...) The problem is the mood problems of the woman not the mood of the man. This is one reason why the woman is not the head of the house and should keep quite in the church.P.S. However Christ is the head of the church and the husband is the head of the Marriage. However both are one in Christ in a Christian union, etc...This message has been edited by The Golfer, 01-09-2006 09:53 PM

Crash, No, I said some, didn't say they go crazy, just grumpy, moody, etc... A friend of mine happily married (4 kids) (good Catholics) till his wife reached menopause. Like over something trivial (like you said over something she said he was doing). He said she just went crazy like over something she thought he shouldn't of said, the way he said it, did it, why didn't, etc...Imagine trying to debate with your woman gone hormonal, shouldn't of said it, the way you said it, etc... Just count your blessings cause it won't matter what you say or how you say it.I agree a man testostrone makes a man more agressive the reason in a family unit the man wears the pants unless perhaps you have bi-polar issues then I'd might conceed that your wife might need to wear the pants.P.S. I agree as long as the man is the head no reason the women should not share in the family decisions. The biblical family unit is for the husband to respect his wife by wearing the pants in the family.This message has been edited by The Golfer, 01-10-2006 02:05 AM

Jesus picked men to be apostles, why did he not include a woman. The bible talks of women that were prophetests. The gifts of the spirit are not just for the men. Mother Angelica another example of no male or female in christ. She was baptised in the spirit before starting her television ministry. She however is not a priest but I don't here her speaking out of place in church. Mother Theresa too, was never a pastor but subservient to the good of the church.The issue is not that the woman is not an equal member of the family of God but that the man is the head of the marriage. In nature the male is dominant the lesser males that challenge this dominance are put in place. The man in the marriage is not supposed to be effeminate to his children or to his spouse(this is biblical)(its not natural)etc... The children and the wife need the husband not to be effeminate or the children will challenge the mans authority and end up wearing the pants etc...P.S. I have to control myself at time, cause of some #@%#@ hitting a golf ball into my space. I've been considered a hot head at times, but you learn to control these issues. Its the christian thing to do, not to get into fist a cuffs over #@$@ like over a simple game of golf or whatever, etc...Entry Word: effeminate
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Text: having or displaying qualities more suitable for women than for menThis message has been edited by The Golfer, 01-10-2006 01:45 PM

crash, The problem with the liberalist view of marriage is they believe in chaos theories (kids in charge) is a good way to raise kids. The liberalists view of marriage is to never spank the child so in essense they are putting the child in charge.Whose in charge, the bible say the man is the head of the marriage. I agree the liberalists social worker has done more to create chaos in the marriages by challenging the husbands and even the wifes authority over their children.A little pain registers in the brain (ever touch a cattle electric fence) bet you'd never do that again. However the child has no reason not to test authority cause the liberal ways never really registers pain in the brain. Catholic nuns used to use the ruler snapped suddenly to the finger to induce pain (it worked). It worked cause it registered discipline in the brain.In fact ability to dicipline children has gotten so bad in florida a young 5 year old had a tantrum (child in charge) the police were called. The 5 year old had already calmed down yet was cuffed with excessive police force. If the state can use this kind of force why can not the parent discipline a child with a the rod. The parent loves the child the state is just an example that social parenting 101 is a failure.
http://www.kidsgrowth.com/interact/viewresp.cfm?id=2Perhaps thats why they called the police cause the parent is not allowed to dicipline the child. The only one with the right to discipline the child is not the parents but the police. Would you protect your wife if your son threatened to discipline your wife or would you call the police to discipline the matter, etc...5-year-old girl handcuffed by Florida police - Wikinews, the free news sourceWhose in charge the wife, the kids, the state. The fundemental view of marriage is the man is the man, in charge. I realize the state disagree's saying the childs in charge. The teachers in Florida have not the right to discipline the child. Because the child needs to be controlled and because the teacher is not allowed to disipline the child the parent is forced to administer their children drugs. They are turning our kids into druggies, making the drug companies rich.http://www.motivation-tools.com/youth/legal_drugs.htmlBy not allowing the man to inflict a little pain the child instead of being a well mannered child ends up a victim of social state mandated drug abuse. These are powerful drugs contrary to whatever one might believe.This message has been edited by The Golfer, 01-10-2006 10:46 PM

brennakimi, I think you made an important point the spankings didn't work cause it wasn't done in love. If its done out of context where your a victim then its meaningless. Its sad that all your mom could do was cry, but interesting that once you understood she too was a victim you had empathy. Its kind of interesting kids cry to gain control, and your mom by crying gained control.I too think its great to communicate with your kids, ever watch the Nanny television show. I really believe a little communication is a good thing but it starts from the top down. An idle mind is a $%$%%$'s workshop, so spending time with ones kids and ones wife is important (watch the Nanny show)(whose in charge).One way is for the kids to be trained early in life to go to bed at 8 oclock so mom and dad can have some quiet times. Only then can mom and dad have a quiet time too stragegize how to love their kids(be on the same team). If the kids are not trained early in life then mom and dad will never have a moments peace cause the kids are in charge.Its sad at times all the mother can do is cry cause the father didn't spank you out of understanding. I suppose that the problem to communicate why your getting the beating (spanking) and only spank in the spirit of understanding and love. Think we all could benefit from watching the Nanny show, but still a place for the rod.The bible says spare the rod and you will spoil the child. It also says an idle mind is a devils workshop. I'd encourage hobbies, chores, time outs, but if junior defies your authority then the rod only imparts who's in control. If it means dad does not care what happened (understanding the situation) it can become meaningless. If Dad cares and understands as does the child then its meaningful. If its over used its only another beating and meaningless. Thats kind of how I see it all, so the mom does is not reduced into a victim too.If the kids are not trained to go to bed early the marriage has no quiet time, and the marriage itself is at risk. The husband needs a wife and the wife a husband its not about beating the wife but a family understanding the roles.

schrafinator,Did you ever watch the wife swapping show. Its kind of awesome actually where the kids, husband have to abide by this foreign woman as a family member. Its quite interesting that many times the man is found to not be sharing in the family responsibilities. Its all about the roles (listening, understanding, sharing, mothering, fathering, etc...) including the husband how to raise the child from another womans point of view. Its usually an eyeopener from all points of view, etc...Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. kjv pro 22:6Usually the husband and the children are estatic upon her return and all learned from the family experience.P.S. If I was a muslim woman I'd flee to America for protection from Sharia law, the chinese wifes too are beaten. The bible however says for the husband to respect his wife does not say to beat her. 1 Pet 3:1, 7 - Ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands...in like manner, ye husbands, dwell with them (the wife) according to knowledge, giving honor unto the wife as unto the weaker vessel and as being heirs together of the grace of life that your prayers be not hindered.http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-wife-beating-toothbrush.htmThis message has been edited by The Golfer, 01-11-2006 06:37 PM

Why do Americans vote for a president, you need someone to make decisions. When JFK died the newspapers it says said the men were concerned about Russia, while the ladies were concerned about Jackie. Perhaps the ladies really should not be allowed to vote. But sadly as it be they have this right and likely basing their vote off emotions, etc...I'd just count your blessings if your an American, though when the mystery babylon falls were to rejoice. Right? Because as your brain developed you became a woman. The man is also the stronger vessel. It does not work the woman continually needs to ask for directions. However your on the same team, you add input for what the kids need, you need, to help your family. You need to be the wife, not the man, etc... Not in America, but in china or in one of those muslim countries your husband would likely be respected for beating a rebellious spirit out of you, etc... I think this actually happens in muslim countries. If your husband is a christian then be the wife, let him be the man, but help him make good decisions, be a teamplayer, etc... Depends? You married the guy to have an raise a family. If you married the man to watch television all day, to do your own thing then your the one being disrespectful. If you get a job, are you going to tell the supervisor to take a hike, or are you going to be on the same team. In a family like in a buisness someone needs to make the final decision, like even the president of the USA (he consults with his cabinet, etc...), then he makes the final decision. If you look at an arcade room over 90% are men cause they are better at making decisions.The woman brain needs to ask for directions, they are not able to process as well as the man (Do you like to ask for directions?) If so your likely a woman, etc... The estrogen affected how the brain developed. I'm suspecting its not just the physical edge but this mental edge why the woman needs the man to be the head of the house, but the man needs the womans to be on the same team, etc...Why Daddies Don't Ask Directions"It's really a biological difference," study author Matthias W. Riepe, PhD, tells WebMD. "If you go back to [previous] animal studies, the results are very much the same."The men apparently beat the women by using their brains better. The brain scans showed that men used much more of a part of the brain that interprets geometric clues. Women used only part of this brain region, and, unlike the men, also used other parts of the right side of their brains. Riepe suggests that their strategy for exploring the maze was to look for landmarks, whereas men used both landmarks and geometric clues."While moving around in a labyrinth, men can process information about angles and shapes," says Riepe, a neurologist at the University of Ulm in Germany. "The men have much more information to process, but in doing so, they are doing better."WebMD - Better information. Better health.

No, I think you thinking of the old testament you can only guide your son in america (laws of the land), but you can be the dad. If your son survives he will likely end up just like you. Life's funny at times over stuff like this, etc...How about a contract you both sign, rules you both can accept until hes 18. I personally think you'd get farther playing with the sons spare change (reason with him) help him get a partime job, as a part of the contract. Vocational or college night school if hes got some interest in say cars, computers, etc... You've got to at least try to a part of the processes, but in the end your only the bow, the son is like the arrow. He will be his own man, and that can be a good thing, hes likely just rebelling cause he is getting ready to leave the nest(to be the man). I personally think the social workers have screwed up the parental roles, if kids are in charge even spankings will not solve much. He still understands he needs to obey the laws of the land, etc..Its an incredibly hard yet perhaps the old ways of stoning were not all that bad of a way to keep the kids like respectful. I suspect that the only reason stonings were written in the old testament bible so parents were like respected. The stonings were done by your peers, like your son would have to stone one his best friends to death for being like disrespectful to his parents. He would likely be quite respectful no doubt after partaking in such a stoning of one of his best friends. It sounds cruel but actually the father wouldn't likely be doing the stoning.The bible talks of bears coming out of the woods after some kids cause of disrespect. I think your son is quite lucky your not living in Iran, or China. I hear children like say in japan are quite respectful of their elders.Whats different here in America, perhaps is starts with womens rights, whose in charge. When the mystery babylon is destroyed by fire were suppose to rejoice, in part this might be part of the why, etc...

The fundemenatal marriage is more than just about you, its also about grand children for your parents. Would your mom be delighted to be a grandmother to your kids? You can still have a career, but should be because your a wife, a mom, and not just for self. The child is more yourn than his, because he has your mitochondria. right? I agree with you however that the man should have as much right over a child in the womb as the mother. Abortion should always require the mans concent because the womens body is not the childs body in the womb. Right? I agree with you two necessary halves to the marriage, you bring social skills, the man leadership skills. I agree its easier to have someone give you the answer, but well isn't that sort of like cheating. I'm perhaps too empathetic and thus but can not but appreciate your an overcomer. I hope your not digging a different kind of hole because of your circumstances. I don't see all wives as victims but if you fight the man then you might be a victim. Why can you not love the man, so he's busting his behind for your protegies. If your teaching the kids to respect the love of your life, is not that a good thing. I guess you can break or make circumstances. Right?

If your life was threatened by the pregnancy going full term likely the man would be empathatic. If your life is not threatened its as much his baby as yours. Remember the baby is not your body but as you said his protogey, like were not talking rape here. Your claiming the baby's body is yourn, but you know that its as much his as yours. The fundemenatal marriage is so your child will have a daddy, not just a mommy, etc... If you and the man are not married the fundemental way is joint custody. The woman sharing equally in the raising of the child with the man. This is fair cause you want the man to care about his protegy, but woman want equal rights so it should be shared custody. (right)I tend to agree for your equal rights, like when a fundemental marriage fails to be fair it should be shared custody. Your really don't want more rights than a man, but equal rights. Right ? If you abort the baby that is half his body, then you in violated the rights of the father. If you both don't want the baby and your life is not threatened by the baby then you murdered his baby. Its like you said your mom grandmom might want to adopt your baby, or some fundemental marriage where they can not have kids would make their marriage have more meaning.Lot of men want to be daddy's and lots of women want to be mommies. Just because you don't want to be a mommie shouldn't overide the rights of the protogy(child within womb). We really should over turn Roe verses Wade for the sake of the protogy if its not threatening the life of the woman. It would fullfill a lot of barren marriages where like you said your mom can adopt the child.This message has been edited by The Golfer, 01-12-2006 01:33 PM

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If Roe verse Wade was overturned she should at least have the option to put the child up for adoption. There are a lot of fundemental marriage couples that can not have children. When a woman aborts the baby its a selfish decision to terminate the child.(Right ?) I suppose baby parts is big buisness and thus agree with you killing the baby should not be an option. Its not the womans body, its an innocent living breathing soul.http://oneimage.org/Images/pages/01cartoon170.htmWhy not outlaw the use of baby parts to enrich the already rich pharmacy drug companies they can use umbilical cords for research. Using baby parts is denying fundemental couples the joy of being a mommie, or a daddie, etc...http://www.gargaro.com/abortion/cartoons/babyparts.JPGThis message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 01-12-2006 06:29 PM

brennakimi, The man being the stronger vessel is supposed to have a servants heart like toward the woman. But the woman is supposed to have a servants heart toward the family. When you think your a slave, your missing the whole point of a fundemental marriage. When you take on a job, your a slave (bondsman) but in a marriage your to be of service to your mate. In the church the greater is supposed to be of service to the lesser. Its all about the heart loving one another in servitude, in Christ. Your of the world so you see a loving relationship as a slave to your mate. You don't see the bigger picture that he too is serving you, its a two way street you being the weaker vessel. You wouldn't want to deprive your man of sex (I take that back you probably use to manipulate the man) Whatever, in a fundemental marriage, your a mom, a wife and even a sister to others in the Christian community.I used to read some books by George MacDonald who expressed these points better than most mortal men. He was a Christian philopher and a poet, touching on the heart. But a more simple book to understand the heart from say a Christian point of view, read "A Man Called Norman".In a marriage you need to have a servants heart to love the man, and the man to serve you too in love. Its not about being a slave but a servant. Its about being mature adults not immature about the needs of the marriage.You need to understand marriage is caring about your husband and the husband caring for you. You seem to think its only about self but in a Christian marriage its about the greater serving the lesser. If the woman is the weaker vessel your getting the better deal in a christian marriage.In a regular marriage you likely could get away with whining about being a slave not so in a Christian marriage, your both a servant to the other. How is that a bad thing? Whats wrong in sharing in the needs of the other.The greatest in the kingdom of God is a servant to all (I think thats what the Word says?) So in some ways your considered great in the kingdom of God for serving the man. If the man is busting himself for your family he's serving you all with his labor, he being the greater vessel. If he comes home exhausted and you've done nothing all day and then whine (complain) then what are you serving the husband.Its really not all that hard, you've got Micro-wave, tv dinners, washing machines, Cars, dishwasher, vacuum cleaners, canned food, etc... In the older days they had to everything by hand, you really have nothing to complain about. Right?Its not about a leader follower relationship but about two mature people realizing its by serving one another that we show your love one to the other. Your leading by example to your children and those that you have the honor to serve.The mans the head, your next, then the children. The children ask you, and your not the head because your the softie (estrogen) so need to have the requests filtered through the husband. Dads are not supposed to be effeminate (soft)(tetosterone right?) so the kids will naturally want to deal with the mother. If the mother bends too much to the kids demands then shes being disrespectful to the marriage.If I'm wrong and the bible does not say the greater serves the lesser, then correct me, but I think girl your in the drivers seat in a Christian Marriage.This message has been edited by The Golfer, 01-13-2006 03:02 AM

If your more concerned about self than your spouse, then your not a mature adult. Right? Brennakimi already said she would always put self ahead of the husband. I don't think Brennakimi should be suspended for getting huffy, she could of at least agreed that she would never use sex as a power tool. In a fundemental marriage what does the woman think, is it appropriate to deny a mate sex to get her way, or spite(punishment), etc...An Example: A friend of mine had a wife that used this power play and it was devastating. They slept in the same bed 3 years without sex is this your understanding of the perfect marriage. It begs the question is rape in marriage the bigger crime. No my friend didn't rape his wife cause to him the issue was the kids.Here's a link that says God made the woman for the man, the man was not made for the woman.Forbidden----------------------------------------------------In TV sitcoms, it's usually the woman who uses sex to manipulate her man. "When you use sex as a power tool, it interferes with the pleasure and togetherness it could bring to the relationship," Pitta says. "The beauty of the sexual experience is terribly impeded." Error | Swedish Medical Center Seattle and Issaquah ----------------------------------------------------Woman, and the elderly are being taken advantage of by salemen in Canada.GEORGIE BINKS:
Some car dealers still driving women crazySorry - we can't find that pageIt seems to me most couples seen in a car its usually the man thats behind the wheel. With all the sharing of responsibilities I'm in favor of the woman driving an automobile.However other nations might disagree: The Prince Sultan are asking the men if the woman should be allowed an automobile.The Statement of Prince Sultan
Daoud Shirian Al-Hayat http://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/OPED/12-2005...I think most of your other responses are not about mature adults sharing in responsibilities. However in the modern world I agree both the husbands and the wifes are likely behaving more like spoiled children not understanding that getting ones way is not what a fundemental marriage is about. Its about serving the other a concept alien to both sexes in the modern world(its doing a 180). Its not alien to a Christian Fundemental Marriage cause a Christian marriage foundation is not based on selfishness(but Christ), etc... Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Shortened display form of 1 URL, to restore page width to normal.