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Author Topic:   Examples of non-Christian Moral systems.
sidelined
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Message 258 of 296 (123800)
07-11-2004 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by mike the wiz
07-11-2004 7:04 PM


Re: topic take-over
MTW
Also, in the New Testament, it is told that unGodliness will lead to unGodly activity, and people are given over to their lusts.
What is wrong with lust?

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Message 270 of 296 (123826)
07-11-2004 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Hangdawg13
07-11-2004 7:31 PM


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Hangdawg13
Lust is self-centeredness. Lust is not the same as desire
You and I have a different concept of lust.What you term lust I would call obsession.Lust has always been an interplay between myself and that which I lusted after.It has always been important to me that my lust for women was something mutual so as far as that goes lust is good in my books because it required that my partner have pleasure in order for me to.
Preoccupation with self is again something that is necessary in reaching a full life.There are unavoidable occasions where life neccesitates selfishness because there is only so much time you can devote to any one thing without it being a detriment to other areas of your life.
I too think of people and I often help those in need.Yet there are times where I will say that a given time is mine to use for my purpose to allow me to advance my career, to save for a down payment on a home by working extra hours and denying my family the time instead.Selfishness is like other aspects of a persons character in that it must be balanced and not eliminated.
It would seem that not all people are burdened by the presence of lust and that we have the lust at all says something about there being a purpose that it serves does it not?

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Message 274 of 296 (123910)
07-12-2004 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Hangdawg13
07-11-2004 11:11 PM


Hangdawg13
I disagree. Preoccupation with Christ is what is necessary in reaching a full life. To do this you cannot be preoccupied with yourself
Then we agree to disagree.However, I think it is arrogance on your part to assume that you know any person well enough to propose that your life is any fuller than theirs.
I've talked to people like you who eventually converted and discovered what it truly meant to be occupied with Christ and I have experienced it myself.
Again this is arrogant since the people who converted could just as easily be telling you such as a matter of social pressure while in your company. Your own point of view is meaningless since the fact remains that you cannot know the actual state of mind of the people to whom you speak. A person could just as easily be looking for accepance of a group and merely plays the role of a "christian".
But the issue is not what we do, but why we do it. What is our motivation? You (the humanist) are motivated by life's pleasures or by helping others who need you or for the advancement of society. The Christian is motivated in all things by love for God.
Love of God. Let us see. You claim to love something that you cannot give evidence of but insist is real. Other christians I have talked to state that God is love. So are we saying here that you are motivated by love for love?
OK.So now what are the boundaries concerning your relationship with your fellow man? Do you act differently than you did before becoming a christian and,if so,why and in what way?
A humble person occupied with God is never frustrated. As Paul says, "I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation."
Oh,good Paul says that he is always content.Being as we have known Paul his whole life and watched him in all his interactions with people we can be certain that this is a true statement.
Getting back to lust: another way to look at it is that lust is the belief that obtaining a certain thing will make you happier.
I have never followed lust with the idea that it would make me happier and truth be told half the time it does not but I followed it just the same and I do not regret the paths that I have followed since they are the only ones that I was content to attend. Regret is for people who believe that one path offers more or less happiness than another when all it offers is simply another path.

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