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Dredge
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Message 601 of 1864 (899446)
10-13-2022 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 600 by Theodoric
10-13-2022 5:53 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Spoken like a true atheist.
I wonder what evidence would satisfy someone who wants to never believe?

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Theodoric
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Message 602 of 1864 (899448)
10-13-2022 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 601 by Dredge
10-13-2022 9:20 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Ok let's keep it simple. It was implied the Jewish writings verify the JC dude. Start there.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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candle2
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Message 603 of 1864 (899467)
10-14-2022 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 596 by dwise1
10-13-2022 1:38 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Dwise 1, the Holy Roman Empire rises and falls. There
is to come one more resurrection of the HRE.
After the death of Justinian, the HRE waned in power.
It remained that way until Charlemagne came on the
scene.
After the death of Charlemagne the HRE once again
experienced the loss of much of its secular and
religious power and influence.
It stayed this way until Otto the Great came along.
Otto was the third head (revival) of the same old
secular/religious system.
The countries of Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Austria,
and several other countries of Western Europe are
generally included in the realm of the HRE. But, all of
them need not be part of the power structure in each
and every head (revival).
When most people think if the HRE they think of Rome.
However, the main force behind the HRE has shifted to
Germany.
Starting with Charlemagne, Germany has been the
secular ruler in four of the six heads.
Germany was the main instigators in the Franco-
Prussian War; WW1; and, WW2.
The beast and false prophet in Revelation 13 will be
a secular German Ruler and the Pope.
Germany and the nine other European countries united
with them will yield such enormous military and economic
might that much of the world will follow their dictates.
The Vatican is both a ecclesiastical entity, and a nation
that sends and receives ambassadors.
No other secular and ecclesiastical combination in
recorded history, except the HRE, comes close to fitting
The Biblical description of the beast and image of
the beast.
Sorry, I meant to say that there is no such connection
to Sunday.

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dwise1
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Message 604 of 1864 (899469)
10-14-2022 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 603 by candle2
10-14-2022 12:55 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Dwise 1, the Holy Roman Empire rises and falls. There
is to come one more resurrection of the HRE.
No, the Holy Roman Empire was a distinct political entity that existed JUST ONCE (as do all distinct political entities) in the period from about 800 CE to 6 August 1806.
Jessica H. Christ, man! Pull your head out and LEARN SOME HISTORY!
Yet again, how could you ever expect to trust what you say when you talk about things that we cannot verify when everything you say that we CAN verify all turn out to be either wrong or downright false?
 
PS
So still unable to present any of your "flaws of radiocarbon dating"? Why am I not surprised?

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ringo
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Message 605 of 1864 (899470)
10-14-2022 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 603 by candle2
10-14-2022 12:55 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
candle2 writes:
The beast and false prophet in Revelation 13 will be
a secular German Ruler and the Pope.
I think that ship sailed on May 8, 1945. A more obvious choice for the (entirely fictional) "beast" is a Reagan or a Trump.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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dwise1
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Message 606 of 1864 (899474)
10-14-2022 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 605 by ringo
10-14-2022 1:17 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Trump, obviously. Don't forget that Jared Kushner's NYC address was 666 5th Avenue.

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Porkncheese
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Message 607 of 1864 (899488)
10-15-2022 6:13 AM


How can Jesus be God if...
Jesus often spoke and prayed to God and referred to him as his father.
I know there is scripture that appears to suggest that Jesus is God but there is also scripture to suggest he isn't.
Eg. Why would Jesus pray to himself in the garden of Gethsemane before getting arrested?
"THIS IS MY SON"
Twice in the Gospel we hear God himself say that Jesus is His son.
Once when he gets baptized and once at the transfiguration
He doesn't say that Jesus is God.
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17
How can anyone be sure that Jesus is God with such conflicting scripture?
One theory is that this was done by the early church to appeal to the pagans to convert at the time because there was so many of them.
Who knows but the concept of the trinity was created by the Catholic church and even they admit that the trinity is a mystery so trying to explain it or make sense of it is impossible anyway.
How many Gods does Christianity have? It supposed to be monotheist but in many ways it isn't with the trinity
And then you can throw in a 4th deity when you see Catholics worshiping Mary as well.
Just some thoughts
God Bless

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Dredge
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Message 608 of 1864 (899490)
10-15-2022 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 607 by Porkncheese
10-15-2022 6:13 AM


Re: How can Jesus be God if...
Porkncheese writes:
And then you can throw in a 4th deity when you see Catholics worshiping Mary as well.
I never seen any Catholic worship Mary.

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Theodoric
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Message 609 of 1864 (899494)
10-15-2022 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 607 by Porkncheese
10-15-2022 6:13 AM


Re: How can Jesus be God if...
There is no god there was no Jesus.
Done.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 610 of 1864 (899497)
10-15-2022 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 607 by Porkncheese
10-15-2022 6:13 AM


Re: How can Jesus be God if...
Porkncheese writes:
I know there is scripture that appears to suggest that Jesus is God but there is also scripture to suggest he isn't.
Bingo. The Bible contradicts itself. You should have learned that on page one.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 611 of 1864 (899498)
10-15-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 608 by Dredge
10-15-2022 6:53 AM


Re: How can Jesus be God if...
Dredge writes:
I never seen any Catholic worship Mary.
You've never heard any Catholic use the phrase, "Hail Mary"?
quote:
Hail, Mary, full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
Sounds a bit worshipful to me.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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candle2
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Message 612 of 1864 (899499)
10-15-2022 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 604 by dwise1
10-14-2022 1:06 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Dwise 1, in Daniel 2, King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream
about a great image.
Verse 32 "The image's head was of fine gold, his breast
and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass.
33. His legs of iron, and feet part of iron and part of clay.
In verse 34, Daniel saw a great stone smite the image
upon his feet made of iron and clay, and broke them to
pieces.
In verse 38, Daniel tell King Nebuchadnezzar that he and
his Kingdom was the head of gold. His Kingdom was
Babylon.
The next Kingdom, represented by the breast and silver
was then followed by the third Kingdom represented by
the belly and thight of brass.
The second Kingdom turned out to be the Medes-persian
Empire.
The third was the Greek Empire.
Verse 40: "And the fourth Kingdom shall be strong as
iron: formasmuch as iron breakest in pieces and
subdues all things: and as iron that breaks all these,
shall it break in pieces and bruise."
Verse 41: "And whereas thou saw the feet and toes,
part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom
shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength
of the iron, formasmuch as thou saw the iron mixed
with Mary clay."
Verse 42: "And as the toes of the feet were part of iron,
and part of clay, so the Kingdom shall be partly strong,
and partly broken."
Verse 44: "And in the days of these kings (10) shall the
God of heaven set up a Kingdom, which shall never be
destroyed:
And the Kingdom shall not be left to other people, but
it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,
and it shall stand forever."
This fourth beast is the same as the fourth beast in
Daniel 7:19-20.
The ten toes of the image in chapter two are the same
as the ten horns (kings) on the 7th head of the beast in
Revelation 13.
It is clearly understood that the fourth beast in
Revelation 2 is that of the Roman Empire.
The clay mingled with the iron on the feet and toes of
this beast is the RCC. It is the glue that holds the union
together.
Verse 44 in Daniel 2 tells us that this beast is extant
when Christ returns and destroys it.
The only way this fourth beast could still have such
enormous power and authority when Christ returns is
If there is a revival of the HRE.
The sixth and seventh heads of the beast are revived
after you claim that the HRE died for good.

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AZPaul3
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Message 613 of 1864 (899501)
10-15-2022 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 608 by Dredge
10-15-2022 6:53 AM


Re: How can Jesus be God if...
I never seen any Catholic worship Mary.
Cuz you keep your eyes closed when you do it. That's a requirement of catholic worship.
Besides, you're a lying sack of meat-crackers.
You have been punished by your confessors plenty having to recite 10 Hail Mary's for this or that transgression. And you're praying to Mary to intercede with god on your behalf. You pray to her in worship of her intercessory powers. You worship her like you do Saint Cunibert and Saint Nymphodora. Catholic is a polytheist religion.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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ringo
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Message 614 of 1864 (899502)
10-15-2022 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 613 by AZPaul3
10-15-2022 12:08 PM


Re: How can Jesus be God if...
AZPaul3 writes:
Saint Nymphodora
That's a new one on me. It's my second favorite name now, after Cornucopia.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Message 615 of 1864 (899503)
10-15-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 612 by candle2
10-15-2022 11:59 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big JC
Did you memorize Hal Lindsey?
Here's another book you might like: Apocalypse Next. It's a virtual clone of The Late Great Planet Earth.
Be sure to avoid this one: Apoclypse Not. The subtitle is "Everything You Know About 2012, Nostradamus and the Rapture Is Wrong".

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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