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Author Topic:   Method of Madness: post-hoc reasoning and confirmation bias.
MrHambre
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Message 98 of 253 (115063)
06-14-2004 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Ziw eht ekima
06-14-2004 11:59 AM


Re: Ok an athiests turn then
Mike,
We've had this discussion so many times before. I believe the last time I asked why Nature was 'evidence' that God exists if Nature is full of things that seem cruel, wasteful, and random.
Now you're taking the stance that only atheists would blame God for rapes or murders. However, we're trying to point out that if God is all-powerful, then He either makes such deeds happen or does not stop them. It's easy to believe in a God who's only responsible for good and beautiful things, but you have to remain consistent. In Isaiah 45, God claims he creates both good and evil, and that nothing exists except through His doing.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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MrHambre
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From: Framingham, MA, USA
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Message 101 of 253 (115075)
06-14-2004 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by mike the wiz
06-14-2004 12:49 PM


Re: Ok an athiests turn then
Mike,
Th OP in this thread sums it up nicely:
Gilgamesh writes:
It can be reduced to the following simple equation:
All good stuff = God's influence.
All bad stuff = Lack of faith/sin/evil/or a test by God.
Nothing ever = evidence that God doesn't interact/exist at all.
You assume that God exists, then assimilate all the data as confirming your assumption. In other words, everything that happens is part of God's plan, because if it weren't part of God's plan, it wouldn't have happened.
quote:
Isn't it plain that God is good?
If you assume that He is good, then everything that He either causes or allows to happen is good, because otherwise it wouldn't have happened, and He wouldn't let something happen that wasn't either good in itself or in the service of a greater good. What you're setting up is a construct that can't conceivably be tested or disconfirmed, and merely relies on the believer's absolutely unquestioning faith for its validity.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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