Method of Madness: post-hoc reasoning and confirmation bias.

Yet, they are the only two possibilities in your mind. If you are truly a neutral and good soldier of stringent scientific mind, you will accept a third possibility against your wishes. You will accept that God might not have made them happen, that humans "let" them happen, by accepting sin rather than God, yet if God is all-powerful, surely you accept a fourth possibility; That God has chosen to deal with evil in his own way. Not by I, anything. Isaiah; I form the light and create darkness.; I make peace and create evilOfcourse, nothing exists without God like you say. But if you read the rest of the chapter, why is it the "Lord our righteoussness"?. Isn't it plain that God is good? If God tells us to be righteouss in the Lord, and comes as our righteoussness, And casts out evil; Is not surely his ultimate and all-powerful purpose, that which is good? Everything in the bible points to goodness/righteoussness with God. If he creates evil (satan), that doesn't mean he is the present doer of evil. It is well established that when the Lord came, he came and cast out demons and evil, healing people was his main activity. Adam chose to go against God's command, which is sin. THIS is how human's "let" sin in. Even God used other people against his own people in Jeremiah, BECAUSE they sinned against him.

Atheists are not the threat? "He that doesn't believe, the wrath of God abideth on him". He who is not for me is against me.Some atheists are dedicatedly against Christ and God. I am not fitting God to my view, I am reading what is said. Even Christ said who the enemy was, and if those people agree with satan, "IF you are the son of God" And if those people harbour doubt rather than faith; and also say the same as satan, and don't believe in the only begotten son of God, then who exactly IS my enemy. I have loved my enamy Jar, yet it is pretty obvious, that when people say "Christ is a fairytale" then obviously I am against that.How you can turn this on the believer is a bafflement to my mind. A believer doesn't blame God for satan, a believer believes that Christ cast out satan/evil. Just HOW is the believer the threat?Your posts baffle me more than ever. Are you now saying that the events of Christ's temptation was not real? Are you comparing Christ to myth? You sound very similar to the atheist, maybe you are correct, maybe YOU, the believer--> are the threat. Yes, maybe your logic is correct, for if next, you suggest that God is the doer of evil, shall then you be a proclaimer of belief, and a doer of atheism/doubt? Do you think Christ cast out evil? Answer me straitly.

But I didn't "assume" Jesus Christ. I was told of him, nor did I assume God exists. I don't think evil things are God's plan, I think evil things are satan's plan. For he was a murderer from the beginning, did I assume this sentence into existence? You are correct that I rely on faith - absolutely! But you are assuming that I have "assumed" these explanations. They are in the bible, that's why I support them. Only one is Good, God, did I assume this sentence?

Now hear more from Isaiah, and understand not. IS. There is no peace, saith the Lord, unto the wicked.

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IS. Oh that thou hadst hearkened to my Commandments! Then had thy peace been as a river.

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IS. For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness....., and thou hast said in thy heart, I am, and none else beside me.
Therefore shall evil come upon thee.

Heaven.

The will of God, as in "your will be done". Because God's will isn't any old happening per day you know. His will was salvatian, and to preach the Gospel, healing and making believers etc. His will is nothing to do with evil, that's satan's will. God has said that he will not take seperate the wheat from the chaff untill the harvest. Ahahaha. You always say that. But I have the truth. It's funny that you so regularly want to relate me with such happenings. But I also, regularly deny that I have had any part of such things. I am as relevant to witch burning as you are. I would have seen such events as the workings of evil, like I do now. The frightening thing is, that I actually think you really do think I would have a part in such things. "He who is without sin, cast the first stone".As for satan in the mouth of the unbeliever, that's a dramatic statement, yet in reality a simple truth. You see, satan was the spreader and harbourer of doubt and "want". Satan asked Christ, "IF you are the son of God". If all I ever hear from the unbeliever, is the preaching of doubt and negativity towards God, then surely your ideas are similar to satan's.

Even if he allows all things it doesn't mean he is responsible for them.If I let my brother fly my helicopter and he crashes it because he fell asleep, is that my fault? He was fully licensed, and knew how to fly it. Yet I allowed him to do it. YET it was his fault, for he was no forced to fly (rape/kill) it.I can see that God might allow all things, and without his universe, nothing would happen. However, he is not responsible for the murderer's act, the murderer is. That's logical, yet you'll deny it because of your unbelief. No, he is logically responsible for creating the universe in which someone is responsible for a rape and murder. He "allows" it is different to he is "responsible" for it.

But didn't Moses say it? Are you saying Moses is God?The young women "will be yours". is hardly proof that they raped them. The website is biased and wants us to think that they were raped.Listen, showing me a possible failure of the Commandment by a human is all very well, but how does that make God guilty? Isn't it the human's that are guilty? You must show me a quote of Christ saying he shall rape and kill. OT "nasties" are irrelevant. If they did murder/rape then maybe the blood is on their own hands, BUT I will need a quote from Christ saying something like, "Yes, you can murder and rape". Yet I think a more accurate thing would be him saying, "Thou shalt not kill".This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 06-17-2004 05:37 PM

Handdawg is young. He might have said the bad things are to teach us something. That's too simplistic though. In some cases, bad things may well teach us something, but the God of the bible has made it clear that basically, - evil is what satan is about, and Good is what God is about. I'm sure you would have read the NT, and will see my point. What about if I also know that I can raise my brother from the dead?By your logic, my mother is responsible if I get murdered or die, because she knew I would die one day, yes? Not to step on Hangdawg's toes here, but what? Is he your prophet?
The nature of God and what he can do is in the bible, and you know that Schraffy. Now when did you conclude that your not liking the outcome means he isn't all-powerful?Didn't I say that his will be done? If the girl resides in paradise from henceforth forever, then what was God's will? We know the rapists/murderer's will. Stop this unbelief you naughty girl.It seems you'd let the rapist/killer go free, and your happy to let God take the punishment. Yet Christ being innocent, took suffering, after living a perfect and righteouss life on earth.This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 06-17-2004 08:19 PM

The OT is a field day for you little quote minors. Yet you always avoid the innocent guy who also chose to kill HIMSELF after living a life of peace and righteoussness. Yet we already know what YOU think of such things custard boy. That's right, God laid down his son for the sins of others, yet you will happily see it as God's fault that human's kill? I suppose you'd let the rapist walk would you? Why not let the rapist rape if you think your logic is so correct? And then you can say "It's okay rapist - I blame God, don't worry about this incident". I suppose that would please you?

Good question. I cannot possibly know the answer though. I think things would rapidly fall apart without God, but I mean, I dunno......Things are kinda "set-up" or in place with the nature of the universe. Maybe the natural cannot exist without God's maitenance.

Sincere questions eh? Ahahaha, these children that I suffer.The women were taken for wives. They were not raped. Even their own law wouldn't allow rape and murder, so hy - what must I be saying. You see, things like "thou shalt not murder" kinda makes it the hunan's fault.Remember Abraham, and how he argued with God over Sodom and Gomorrah? Asking that if even a few there were righteouss, that God would spare them. Yet the key here is that God wanted rid of the wicked.

I meant humans.I don't have a virgin daughter. But by your logic, I should blame God and not you anyway. Cos your just a robot who cannot possibly know good or evil. Oh no, I forgot, humans do know good and bad, and also there's these things called Commandments which make it impossible to justify our actions, aswell as new teachings from Christ. Did God rape anyone? Should the rapist go free? It's you who' making the rapist innocent remember, so I guess you would justify the rape by blaming God eh?

Custard reminds me of Rei a bit. I had many battles with her over this rape thing. I've been looking at the evil bible .com.ROFL.
It seems to call the Jews "these evil bastar*s" and such things. Such hate towards these Jewish people is unnecessary. We cannot know for sure, if God foresaw a good outcome.

Now you're reminding me of Dan Carroll. WHich spy are you? Rei, or Dan?