Method of Madness: post-hoc reasoning and confirmation bias.

She is now in heaven, so there was no teaching.Also, God doesn't cause rape/killing. The rapist/killer does.This message has been edited by Ziw eht ekima, 06-13-2004 07:34 PM

It's okay, the mistake isn't yours. Christ clearly taught that satan is the worker of iniquity. "Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof". Oftentimes, unbelievers will say just what satan wants them to say. It is a lie of the devil, to blame God for evil. Christ came and cast out evil.

I know. It still annoys me that Schrafinator says God causes rape/killings though. According to your Theory, which I agree with, the endless paradise will hopefully outweigh the child's suffering. Is Schrafinator saying she wants the child to go to hell?From God's point of view, he will recieve the child after her murder, and she will reside in heaven like satan resides in the mouth of the unbelieving. God also had the power to "make this stone bread". It is written what God will do, he doesn't "allow" anything without a consequence. It is written he shall gather the wheat and burn the chaff, so heed the atheist not, when they try and convince you that God's the bad guy.An atheist does two things, they say "God doesn't exist" and when it doesn't work, they then say "he's the bad guy". So which one is it. WHy do they entangle themselves with this? Can they now please choose which one it is, bad guy or no existo.This message has been edited by Ziw eht ekima, 06-13-2004 08:09 PM

I am talking about atheists ofcourse. Schraff and you are both agnostic, I didn't mention agnostics. Ofcourse I did say "unbelievers".You shouldn't take offense that I say satan is in the mouth of unbelievers. I only say it because of what the bible says about satan. Now I know that some of you might not blame God for rapes/killings etc, or are less vocal about such things. I will explain why I say this about satan in the mouth of unbelievers;Now satan said to Christ, "turn this stone to bread, IF you are the son of God". Obviously, satan is saying that if God doesn't obey satan's command, and make the stone bread/stop the killings/evil --> then he isn't God. This is very similar to what I hear from unbelievers. So, now you can see that my words may seem harsh but they have a reason for being that way. All things are there and plain to see, yet the unbeliever unwittingly says what he should say and will say. If the strings are seen, maybe then they can be cut.

Okay, unfortunately, you really aren't the guy who I was thinking about when I said "atheists". I know this may seem like an attack on all atheists. It's not really an attack though. You see, if you take the position that God isn't responsible, then that is ofcourse the correct atheistic response. I just don't think athiests can have it both ways though. Now, I don't recall you being one who is blaming our God all the time. So I am wrong to generalize. Yet I still stick by what I said concerning those atheists that never attribute a good thing to God, only bad things. If one is ready and able to say the biblical God is responsible for evil, then they have not read the bible, and failed to read the parts about satan/the enemy.Again, I must stress, you are the last person I was thinking of, so - yes, I was wrong to generalize by saying "atheist". I am glad you say; Believe it or not, that's one of my points. You see, if those people that don't believe and proclaim atheism, do not actually take the proper stance, then they are not really just atheist, but they are really and simply against God.I am trying to show that unbelievers are against God, but not all of them ofcourse. Yet many, many people ARE against him. Especially Schraff, when she said that God is responsible for rapes/killings.