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Topic: The TRUE reason for the EvC controversy, and why it can not be resolved.
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robinrohan
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Message 13 of 302 (297546)
03-23-2006 10:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by compmage
03-20-2006 5:54 AM
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Why does evolution cause so much contraversy? Why do we still debate creationism 150 years after Darwin? The reason is that evolution, unlike other scientific theories, has radical philosophical implications. Big Bang theory, for example, is also about the far past (very far, in fact), but it does not provoke the sort of negative reactions that evolution does.
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robinrohan
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Message 25 of 302 (297575)
03-23-2006 12:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by ringo
03-23-2006 12:19 PM
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The "TRUE" reason for the controversy is the failure of a few to understand what Christianity truly is. And what might Christianity truly be?
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robinrohan
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Message 28 of 302 (297583)
03-23-2006 1:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by ringo
03-23-2006 12:34 PM
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Christainity truly is (like every other religion) a means for human beings to get along with each other. Hence, "Love thy neighbour as thyself". The "supernatural" aspects are just smoke and mirrors. Well, heck, in that case I can be a Christian too.
"Headpiece filled with straw, Alas!"--T. S. Eliot
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robinrohan
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Message 47 of 302 (297738)
03-24-2006 6:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 42 by ringo
03-24-2006 3:44 AM
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Re: The brain is not just insulation
The Christian religion doesn't rise or fall on whether or not Jesus was a historical personage. It rests on the message He brought. If Jesus was not a "historical personage," I guess it wasn't he that "brought the message." It's somebody else's message if Jesus never existed. We might want to find out who that somebody was and check his credentials.
It isn't your place to judge me. Perhaps Gone Full Circle's question was classificational rather than judgmental in nature.
"Headpiece filled with straw, Alas!"--T. S. Eliot
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robinrohan
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Message 48 of 302 (297739)
03-24-2006 6:34 AM
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Reply to: Message 31 by compmage
03-24-2006 2:28 AM
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Re: I'm not debating EvC, I'm debating the nature of the EvC debate.
PS I appologice for language errors. English is not my first language, and I do my best to keep it clean You're doing fine with your English, GFC, except that the spelling is "philosophical." However, I like your spelling of it just fine.
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robinrohan
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Message 53 of 302 (297758)
03-24-2006 8:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 49 by compmage
03-24-2006 6:46 AM
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Re: I'm not debating EvC, I'm debating the nature of the EvC debate.
As I mentioned before. I find it difficult to see how a christian can reconcile his believes with evolution without using theological doublethink, and it would be interesting to follow such a debate. So far, everyone I've met who claimed to be both Christian and Evolutionist, turned out to be Gnostics instead, who doesn't really believe a word the bible says. I agree that evolution and Christianity do not mix. In order for the Christian to explain the current world, one needs the concept of the Fall, and if evolution occurred there could be no Fall. I'm not sure what you mean by "Gnostic." God abandoned the world?
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robinrohan
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Message 59 of 302 (297777)
03-24-2006 10:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 58 by PaulK
03-24-2006 10:12 AM
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Re: Those naughty Gnostics!
Another common belief is an emphasis on a spiritual reality - the material world is rejected as a "prison" of sorts, created not be God but by an enitity called the "Demiurge". The world of matter is to be rejected. Isn't there something in Gnosticism about God abandoning the world?
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robinrohan
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Message 64 of 302 (297792)
03-24-2006 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by jar
03-24-2006 11:22 AM
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Re: Are we special?
Are we special? We are no more (or less) special than a mosquito in my book, but Christianity seems to say we are.
"Headpiece filled with straw, Alas!"--T. S. Eliot
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robinrohan
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Message 67 of 302 (297798)
03-24-2006 12:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by jar
03-24-2006 12:24 PM
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Re: Are we special?
Again, that is not something that is held to be true by many if not most Christians. I thought there was something in the Christian tradition about God sacrificing His only begotten Son for the sins of mankind. I heard that somewhere, I'm certain. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 03-24-2006 11:56 AM
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robinrohan
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Re: Are we special?
You are right, ye old Catholic Scientist.
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robinrohan
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Re: Are we special?
But he sacrificed his only begotten mosquito as well, it just never made such big press. I don't think mosquitoes can sin.
"Headpiece filled with straw, Alas!"--T. S. Eliot
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robinrohan
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Message 74 of 302 (297867)
03-24-2006 5:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by jar
03-24-2006 1:04 PM
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Re: Are we special?
A typical tactic by Jar. If he doesn't want to talk about something, he says it's off-topic.
"Headpiece filled with straw, Alas!"--T. S. Eliot
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robinrohan
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Message 116 of 302 (298152)
03-25-2006 10:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Admin
03-25-2006 10:35 AM
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Re: Are we special?
Do you think we can keep this topic off jar and on "What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator?" Yes, well, what I want to know is why Asgara would make a comment like this when I was clearly on the topic and was not making a personal comment about Jar, but rather about his argument.
"Headpiece filled with straw, Alas!"--T. S. Eliot
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robinrohan
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Re: Are we special?
Would like me to replay all that, Asgara? And then we could let the posters decide. Or if you would like to make a comment, you can.
"Headpiece filled with straw, Alas!"--T. S. Eliot
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robinrohan
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Message 121 of 302 (298184)
03-25-2006 11:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by jar
03-25-2006 10:58 PM
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Re: I'll be happy to replay it for the folk.
That was not what I was talking about. This is it: You said:
One that has been refuted numerous times. I'm sorry robin, but the fact that I accept the TOE and also believe in GOD, the Christian GOD refutes your assertions. I said:
That's like saying, because I believe the sky is green, your argument that the sky is blue is thereby refuted. Now, as you can see, I have not made any personal comments about you. Asgara responded to that, as follows:
Do you think we can keep this topic off jar and on "What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator?" This I object to. Apparently what you are interested in is running off people who disagree with you. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 03-25-2006 10:15 PM
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