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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
You don't know how even ONE alleged evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened.APauling666 writes:
If you know how evolution works, choose one evolutionary transition from the fossil record and describe how it happened.
Sure we do
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling666 writes:
Wait ... let me get this straight ... you claim to know how evolution produced evolutionary transitions evident in the fossil record, but you can't describe the process involved in even one of them? Fuck You. Do your own research. If you can't find anything then you are not looking hard enough or you are lying.Do you realise that your empty cupboard makes you look like a fraud and a bs-artist? I called your bluff and you came up with zilch ... zero ... nada ... neante. How embarrassment!
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Theodorkic writes:
Unresolved. As a Darwinoid, you don't like going down this road, do you? Can't say I blame you.
We have been down this road before.Once we show you the research you will make claims that it does not show every step.
I will certainly ask, "If you know how evolution works, how do you know it happened that way?" Speaking of which ... If you know how evolution works, you must know how at least one evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded. Please detail one such example and then explain how you know it happened that way. Thank you.
You fundie creos are not worth the effort
You know the effort is beyond you ... or anyone else. Why not try a little honesty and simply admit that you don't know how any evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Evasion. APauling. Cowardly. Shameful.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Oh, so you know that human descended from bacteria?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling666 writes:
How did I take that quote "out of context"? The quote describes what the fossil record reveals - what the article says further on doesn't alter the quoted description of the fossil record.
Yes. They look just planted without evolutionary history. But looks are deceiving as is your taking the quote out of context. That's the way things looked but that is not the way it was if you had bothered to quote further.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
I'm not claiming that pre-C biota can not be ancestors of C biota. I'm claiming that the massive gap in morphology and function between pre-C and C biota is not consistent with the theory of evolution. Then show me all of the species that lived in the pre-Cambrian and show us how they can not be ancestors of what is in the Cambrian. Where is the vast number of transitional fossils that are required to bridge the huge gap?
Dredge writes:
How can all those missing links between pre-Cambrian and Cambrian possibly form a nested hierarchy?Taq writes:
You need similarities to form a nested hierarchy. I can't see how the profound dissimilarities between pre-C biota and C biota can form a nested hierarchy. You don't need transitional fossils in order to produce a nested hierarchy. Here is a brief description of pre-C verses C biota: "A series of dark, craggy pinnacles rises 80 metres above the grassy plains of Namibia. The peaks call to mind something ancient — the burial mounds of past civilizations or the tips of vast pyramids buried by the ages.The stone formations are indeed monuments of a faded empire, but not from anything hewn by human hands. They are pinnacle reefs, built by cyanobacteria on the shallow sea floor 543 million years ago, during a time known as the Ediacaran period. The ancient world occupied by these reefs was truly alien. The oceans held so little oxygen that modern fish would quickly founder and die there. A gooey mat of microbes covered the sea floor at the time, and on that blanket lived a variety of enigmatic animals whose bodies resembled thin, quilted pillows. Most were stationary, but a few meandered blindly over the slime, grazing on the microbes. Animal life at this point was simple, and there were no predators. But an evolutionary storm would soon upend this quiet world. Within several million years, this simple ecosystem would disappear, and give way to a world ruled by highly mobile animals that sported modern anatomical features. The Cambrian explosion, as it is called, produced arthropods with legs and compound eyes, worms with feathery gills and swift predators that could crush prey in tooth-rimmed jaws." What sparked the Cambrian explosion? | Nature How can going from a mostly-sessile "gooey mat of microbes" and "animals that resembled thin, quilted pillows" (pre-Cambrian) to "highly mobile animals that sported modern anatomical features ... arthropods with legs and compound eyes, worms with feathery gills and swift predators that could crush prey in tooth-rimmed jaws" (Cambrian) possibly form a nested hierarchy? It's like saying a kettle and a Ferrari from a nested hierarchy, is it not?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I don't follow. Are you suffering from a dose of discombobulation, or am I? How does the rest of the paragraph render my quote "out of context"?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Taq writes:
It proves common ancestry and evolution.Dredge writes:
You seem to be to be at odds with science itself ... I've been told repeatedly that science doesn't prove anything.In common parlance, prove means proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and that definitely applies to common ancestry.
Nice try, con-man, but no cigar. By saying "It proves common ancestry and evolution", you've painted yourself into a corner - since science can't prove it, no one can prove it. So you've uttered a falsehood.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
Oh, so you know that human descended from bacteria?Taq writes:
Do you know that humans descended from bacteria or not?
I know that the evidence is consistent with humans and bacteria sharing a common ancestor.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Oh, so you can prove that humans descended from bacteria, but science can't. Interesting.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Losing hurts, don't it?
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Not at all. I accept that nested hierarchies exist within phyla. What's lacking, viz-a-viz the theory of evolution, are fossil links between the various phyla, which are necessary if one wants to claim that the entire fossil record forms a nested hierarchy.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
I hate to see a grown man cry, but you brought it on yourself. Not my fault ... I'm just doing my job.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 103 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
APauling666 writes:
This article says you're wrong: Science did already. "Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as a scientific proof ... all scientific knowledge is tentative and provisional, and nothing is final. There is no such thing as final proven knowledge in science."https://www.psychologytoday.com/...cience-i-scientific-proof
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