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Dredge
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Message 841 of 1197 (907174)
02-19-2023 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 840 by AZPaul3
02-19-2023 1:42 PM


You don't know how even ONE alleged evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened. Therefore you Darwinoid bs-artists can't claim to know how evolution works.
You can't con all the people all the time.
Why is your pagan cult so pathetically dishonest?

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Phat
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Message 842 of 1197 (907176)
02-19-2023 3:16 PM
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02-19-2023 1:42 PM


Altar Boys and Altered States
AZAntitheist writes:
Are the two of you really saying that because we don’t know everything down in intricate detail, then, we know nothing? And if we can’t show you specifically what proteins did exactly what in some ultra-specific cases then the reality of the event didn’t happen?

Are you two intellectually dishonest? Is this another “lies for Jesus” stance that makes creationists look so bad?
Wait a minute! Do these two have anything in common? I have yet to hear what sensei's belief is...apart from this whole "anti-Darwinist" thing. To be honest, I never understood why supposed believers waste their time on this stuff. Leave the scientists alone! Come join me and beat up on other religions. Scientists can point and laugh at all of us as they gather data with which to have us rounded up by the Woke Police and herded into internment camps where we will be required to undergo electroshock therapy until we renounce our religion!

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Phat
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Message 843 of 1197 (907177)
02-19-2023 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 841 by Dredge
02-19-2023 3:00 PM


Pagan Cult?
So if we dunked them in holy water and performed an exorcism, do you really think they would renounce science?

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Message 844 of 1197 (907180)
02-19-2023 3:30 PM
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02-19-2023 3:00 PM


You don't know how even ONE alleged evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened.
Sure we do. But whatever level of evidence we present will never be enough. If we answer at one level you "level leviosa" to something more intricate until you hit the impossible to answer and then declare victory.
Creationists. Typical dishonest.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 845 of 1197 (907184)
02-19-2023 3:55 PM
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02-19-2023 3:30 PM


Lets ask Diffen
I just thought of something!
Creationism vs Evolution
Diffen:
Creationism or Intelligent Design is the belief that life and the universe were created by a supernatural being (an "intelligent designer"), an omnipotent, benevolent God. Evolution is the process by which different kinds of living organisms developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the Earth. The theory of evolution purports that life on earth evolved from one universal common ancestor about 3.8 billion years ago. It is a "theory" in the scientific sense of the word, which means it is supported by evidence and accepted as fact by the scientific community. The intelligent design hypothesis is not supported by evidence. Since 1929, the term “creationism” in the US has been associated with Christian fundamentalism, and specifically with a disbelief in evolution and a belief in a young earth.
There is also a more detailed comparison chart at the link.
AZPaul3 writes:
Creationists. Typical dishonest.
I consider myself a Cosmological Creationist, but I have no beef with the biologists here on the planet. In other words, I am not a Biblical Creationist and I try and be as honest as I can.

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Dredge
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Message 846 of 1197 (907208)
02-20-2023 11:58 AM
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02-19-2023 3:30 PM


Dredge writes:
You don't know how even ONE alleged evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened.
APauling666 writes:
Sure we do
You can't prove that any of your theories viz-a-viz evolution in the fossil record are the truth, therefore you can't claim to know the truth.
Don't you ever get sick of telling lies?

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AZPaul3
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Message 847 of 1197 (907216)
02-20-2023 1:53 PM
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02-20-2023 11:58 AM


You can't prove that any of your theories viz-a-viz evolution in the fossil record are the truth, therefore you can't claim to know the truth.
In your impossible ever to achieve perfection of knowledge you can't ever prove anything ... especially your god.
But a preponderance of the evidence and the accuracy of our models informs us evolution is the reality. Everything else is stupid religious fantasy.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Phat
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Message 848 of 1197 (907218)
02-20-2023 3:28 PM
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02-20-2023 1:53 PM


Altar Boys and Cardinal Sins
Let me step in and edit you in the interest of the Spirit.©
Life Isn't AZ addressing Cardinal Dredge:
In your impossible ever to achieve perfection of knowledge you can't ever prove anything ... especially your god. Jesus Christ

But a preponderance of the evidence and the accuracy of our models informs us evolution is the reality. Everything else Jesus Christ is stupid religious fantasy.
Creationism vs. Evolution
quote:
Creationism or Intelligent Design is the belief that life and the universe were created by a supernatural being (an "intelligent designer"), an omnipotent, benevolent God. Evolution is the process by which different kinds of living organisms developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the Earth. The theory of evolution purports that life on earth evolved from one universal common ancestor about 3.8 billion years ago. It is a "theory" in the scientific sense of the word, which means it is supported by evidence and accepted as fact by the scientific community. The intelligent design hypothesis is not supported by evidence. Since 1929, the term “creationism” in the US has been associated with Christian fundamentalism, and specifically with a disbelief in evolution and a belief in a young earth.
Im testing to see whether or not AZPaul3's hatred of God and religion is warranted. Jesus Christ is the true symbol behind the church. Without Him, churches would become secular humanist do-gooders clubs. An adult form of the Boy(and Girl) Scouts.

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AZPaul3
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Message 849 of 1197 (907221)
02-20-2023 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 848 by Phat
02-20-2023 3:28 PM


Re: Altar Boys and Cardinal Sins
Im testing to see whether or not AZPaul3's hatred of God and religion ...
Really, Phat? Do I have to keep saying this?
I suppose if one has the mind of a child then hating the fictional antagonist in their favorite show would be excusable. I may not alway act it but I don't have the mind of a child. You can't hate something that doesn't exist, Phat. You should know that.
I can hate the concept, the idea of god, but that is only a side effect.
I hate the evil people do in the name of their religion.
I hate the way people are led to that evil by deception of their equally deluded priests.
I hate that religious thought is so violently oppressive to critical thought and the revelation of reality.
I hate religion.
Religion is poison to the species, Phat. Your god is kin to the sugar coating on that bitter evil pill you want everyone to swallow.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 850 of 1197 (907227)
02-21-2023 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 844 by AZPaul3
02-19-2023 3:30 PM


Dredge writes:
You don't know how even ONE alleged evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened.
APauling666 writes:
Sure we do
If you know how evolution works, choose one evolutionary transition from the fossil record and describe how it happened.

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AZPaul3
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Message 851 of 1197 (907228)
02-21-2023 7:09 AM
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02-21-2023 6:40 AM


Fuck You. Do your own research.
If you can't find anything then you are not looking hard enough or you are lying.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 852 of 1197 (907229)
02-21-2023 7:28 AM
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02-21-2023 7:09 AM


APauling666 writes:
Fuck You. Do your own research.
If you can't find anything then you are not looking hard enough or you are lying.
Wait ... let me get this straight ... you claim to know how evolution produced evolutionary transitions evident in the fossil record, but you can't describe the process involved in even one of them?
Do you realise that your empty cupboard makes you look like a fraud and a bs-artist?
I called your bluff and you came up with zilch ... zero ... nada ... neante. How embarrassment!

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Message 853 of 1197 (907230)
02-21-2023 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 852 by Dredge
02-21-2023 7:28 AM


We have been down this road before. Once we show you the research you will make claims that it does not show every step. You fundie creos are not worth the effort

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Dredge
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Message 854 of 1197 (907231)
02-21-2023 8:51 AM
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02-21-2023 7:57 AM


Theodorkic writes:
We have been down this road before.
Unresolved. As a Darwinoid, you don't like going down this road, do you? Can't say I blame you.
Once we show you the research you will make claims that it does not show every step.
I will certainly ask, "If you know how evolution works, how do you know it happened that way?"
Speaking of which ... If you know how evolution works, you must know how at least one evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded. Please detail one such example and then explain how you know it happened that way. Thank you.
You fundie creos are not worth the effort
You know the effort is beyond you ... or anyone else. Why not try a little honesty and simply admit that you don't know how any evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded?

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AZPaul3
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Message 855 of 1197 (907234)
02-21-2023 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 852 by Dredge
02-21-2023 7:28 AM


but you can't describe the process involved in even one of them?
Not "can't", there bunky (you're lying again), but won't.
There are plenty of examples on the net. If you cannot find any then you are lying. Frankly, that is to be expected.
Or, better, go to your local university, take a semester of biology, evolution or genetics. When you're done come back here and we'll discuss what you learned.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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