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Topic: The Power of the New Intelligent Design...
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Taq
Member Posts: 10045 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 871 of 1197 (907260)
02-21-2023 12:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 869 by Dredge
02-21-2023 12:08 PM
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Re: Typical?
Dredge writes: I'm claiming that the massive gap in morphology and function between pre-C and C biota is not consistent with the theory of evolution. You haven't demonstrated that this gap is real. Please show us all of the species that lived during that time.
Where is the vast number of transitional fossils that are required to bridge the huge gap? You claim they don't exist, so prove it.
You need similarities to form a nested hierarchy. And that's what living species have, similarities.
I can't see how the profound dissimilarities between pre-C biota and C biota can form a nested hierarchy.
You are forgetting about the similarities.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 872 of 1197 (907263)
02-21-2023 12:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 857 by Taq
02-21-2023 11:00 AM
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Re: Typical?
Taq writes: It proves common ancestry and evolution.
Dredge writes: You seem to be to be at odds with science itself ... I've been told repeatedly that science doesn't prove anything.
In common parlance, prove means proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and that definitely applies to common ancestry.
Nice try, con-man, but no cigar. By saying "It proves common ancestry and evolution", you've painted yourself into a corner - since science can't prove it, no one can prove it. So you've uttered a falsehood.
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| Replies to this message: | | | Message 873 by Taq, posted 02-21-2023 12:33 PM | | Dredge has replied | | | Message 875 by AZPaul3, posted 02-21-2023 12:37 PM | | Dredge has replied |
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Taq
Member Posts: 10045 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 873 of 1197 (907265)
02-21-2023 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 872 by Dredge
02-21-2023 12:29 PM
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Re: Typical?
Dredge writes: By saying "It proves common ancestry and evolution", you've painted yourself into a corner - since science can't prove it, no one can prove it. Troll gonna troll. In common parlance, prove means proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Live with it.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 874 of 1197 (907266)
02-21-2023 12:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 863 by Taq
02-21-2023 11:11 AM
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Re: Typical?
Dredge writes: Oh, so you know that human descended from bacteria?
Taq writes: I know that the evidence is consistent with humans and bacteria sharing a common ancestor.
Do you know that humans descended from bacteria or not?
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 875 of 1197 (907267)
02-21-2023 12:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 872 by Dredge
02-21-2023 12:29 PM
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Re: Typical?
So you've uttered a falsehood. No, Taq was right. Nested hierarchy proves common ancestry and evolution. You don't like that fact so you try to ignore it.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Taq
Member Posts: 10045 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 876 of 1197 (907268)
02-21-2023 12:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 874 by Dredge
02-21-2023 12:35 PM
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Re: Typical?
Dredge writes: Do you know that humans descended from bacteria or not? I know that the evidence is consistent with humans and bacteria sharing a common ancestor.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 877 of 1197 (907273)
02-21-2023 12:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 873 by Taq
02-21-2023 12:33 PM
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Re: Typical?
Oh, so you can prove that humans descended from bacteria, but science can't. Interesting.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 878 of 1197 (907276)
02-21-2023 12:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 876 by Taq
02-21-2023 12:38 PM
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Re: Typical?
Losing hurts, don't it?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10045 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 879 of 1197 (907278)
02-21-2023 12:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 878 by Dredge
02-21-2023 12:54 PM
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Re: Typical?
Dredge writes: Losing hurts, don't it? Troll gonna troll.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 880 of 1197 (907279)
02-21-2023 1:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 877 by Dredge
02-21-2023 12:53 PM
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Re: Typical?
Oh, so you can prove that humans descended from bacteria, but science can't. Interesting. Science did already. That's where his info came from. Pay attention, Dredge.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 881 of 1197 (907280)
02-21-2023 1:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 875 by AZPaul3
02-21-2023 12:37 PM
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Re: Typical?
Not at all. I accept that nested hierarchies exist within phyla. What's lacking, viz-a-viz the theory of evolution, are fossil links between the various phyla, which are necessary if one wants to claim that the entire fossil record forms a nested hierarchy.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 882 of 1197 (907283)
02-21-2023 1:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 879 by Taq
02-21-2023 12:58 PM
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Re: Typical?
I hate to see a grown man cry, but you brought it on yourself. Not my fault ... I'm just doing my job.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8536 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 883 of 1197 (907285)
02-21-2023 1:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 881 by Dredge
02-21-2023 1:01 PM
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Re: Typical?
What's lacking, viz-a-viz the theory of evolution, are fossil links between the various phyla ... Not lacking, but, unknown to you. Have you ever been to a natural history museum? If you go you can actually see some of these lacking transitionals.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Taq
Member Posts: 10045 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 884 of 1197 (907287)
02-21-2023 1:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 881 by Dredge
02-21-2023 1:01 PM
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Re: Typical?
Dredge writes: Not at all. I accept that nested hierarchies exist within phyla. So you accept common ancestry of phyla?
What's lacking, viz-a-viz the theory of evolution, are fossil links between the various phyla, which are necessary if one wants to claim that the entire fossil record forms a nested hierarchy. Apparently you are unaware of the genetic evidence which forms a nested hierarchy between the phyla.
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Dredge
Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: 09-06-2016
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Message 885 of 1197 (907290)
02-21-2023 1:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 880 by AZPaul3
02-21-2023 1:00 PM
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Re: Typical?
APauling666 writes: Science did already.
This article says you're wrong: "Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as a scientific proof ... all scientific knowledge is tentative and provisional, and nothing is final. There is no such thing as final proven knowledge in science." https://www.psychologytoday.com/...cience-i-scientific-proof
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