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Dredge
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Message 774 of 1197 (906904)
02-16-2023 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 740 by Taq
02-16-2023 3:54 PM


Re: Typical?
Taq writes:
Those species fit into a nested hierarchy which is evidence against design choice.
So God could create the universe out of nothing, create stars and planets and create life on earth ... but God could not create a nested hierarchy? Fascinating.

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Dredge
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Message 779 of 1197 (906909)
02-16-2023 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 738 by sensei
02-16-2023 3:45 PM


Re: Typical?
sensei writes:
The life tree is not one of evolution.
The Cambrian explosion destroys Darwin's single tree of life. Instead of one tree, the fossil record reveals many separates trees, which represent the many phyla that appeared during the Cambrian.
That's why the evolution-obsessed scientific community does its best to sweep the Cambrian explosion under the carpet... it (a) doesn't fit their beloved theory and (b) it defies scientific explanation.
Unfortunately, evolution science doesn't consider honesty very important.

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Dredge
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Message 781 of 1197 (906912)
02-16-2023 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 737 by Taq
02-16-2023 3:38 PM


Re: Typical?
Taq writes:
If you don't think complex life falls into a nested hierarchy then provide the evidence.
Fossil evidence of evolutionary links between pre-Cambrian and Cambrian life-forms is practically non-existent ... so much for your nested hierarchy!

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Dredge
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Message 816 of 1197 (907013)
02-18-2023 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 737 by Taq
02-16-2023 3:38 PM


Re: Typical?
Taq writes:
It proves common ancestry and evolution
You seem to be to be at odds with science itself ... I've been told repeatedly that science doesn't prove anything.

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Dredge
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Message 827 of 1197 (907081)
02-18-2023 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 815 by Tanypteryx
02-17-2023 5:51 PM


Re: Typical?
Tanytrum writes:
I only eat chocolate once or twice a year
So all those chocolate-flavoured insect bars you devour every week don't count?

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Dredge
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Message 828 of 1197 (907099)
02-18-2023 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 782 by Taq
02-16-2023 8:59 PM


Re: Typical?
Taq writes:
Can you tell us how the distribution of characteristics in pre-Cambrian life violates a nested hierarchy?
I talking about the transition from pre-Cambrian biota to Cambrian biota. Most of the organisms that appeared in the Cambrian have no recognisable evolutionary ancestors in the pre-Cambrian.
To make matters worse for the theory of evolution, most of the Ediacaran biota became extinct.
No wonder, then, that Richard Dawkins said,
"The Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years [evolutionists are now dating the beginning of the Cambrian at about 530 million years], are the oldest in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history."
How can all those missing links between pre-Cambrian and Cambrian possibly form a nested hierarchy?

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Dredge
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Message 829 of 1197 (907100)
02-18-2023 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 773 by Tanypteryx
02-16-2023 8:35 PM


Re: Typical?
Tanypteryx writes:
ALL the evidence supports the Theory of Evolution.
Your atheist fairy-tale, your pseudo-science and your lying rhetoric don't fool me. Sorry.

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Dredge
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Message 832 of 1197 (907106)
02-19-2023 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 782 by Taq
02-16-2023 8:59 PM


Re: Typical?
Taq writes:
Lack of fossil evidence does not make the nested hierarchy go away.
Richard Dawkins said,
"The Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years [evolutionists are now dating the beginning of the Cambrian at about 530 million years], are the oldest in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history."
Pray tell, how does "without any evolutionary history" amount to a nested hierarchy?

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Dredge
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Message 833 of 1197 (907107)
02-19-2023 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 786 by AZPaul3
02-16-2023 9:05 PM


Re: Typical?
ID 786
APauling666 writes:
That is false. Wishful thinking on your part. Those lineages started in the ediacaran. You cannot show they are unrelated to phyla in pre-cambrian and cambrian radiations.
Once again your Darwinoid fantasies are exposed. There is a MASSIVE gap between ediacaran and cambrian radiations that evolution can't (sensibly) explain away ... the predicted evolutionary links between ediacaran and cambrian are virtually non-existent ...
"A series of dark, craggy pinnacles rises 80 metres above the grassy plains of Namibia. The peaks call to mind something ancient — the burial mounds of past civilizations or the tips of vast pyramids buried by the ages.
The stone formations are indeed monuments of a faded empire, but not from anything hewn by human hands. They are pinnacle reefs, built by cyanobacteria on the shallow sea floor 543 million years ago, during a time known as the Ediacaran period. The ancient world occupied by these reefs was truly alien. The oceans held so little oxygen that modern fish would quickly founder and die there. A gooey mat of microbes covered the sea floor at the time, and on that blanket lived a variety of enigmatic animals whose bodies resembled thin, quilted pillows. Most were stationary, but a few meandered blindly over the slime, grazing on the microbes. Animal life at this point was simple, and there were no predators. But an evolutionary storm would soon upend this quiet world.
Within several million years, this simple ecosystem would disappear, and give way to a world ruled by highly mobile animals that sported modern anatomical features. The Cambrian explosion, as it is called, produced arthropods with legs and compound eyes, worms with feathery gills and swift predators that could crush prey in tooth-rimmed jaws."
What sparked the Cambrian explosion? | Nature

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Dredge
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Message 835 of 1197 (907115)
02-19-2023 7:04 AM
Reply to: Message 785 by sensei
02-16-2023 9:02 PM


Re: Typical?
sensei writes:
While you bury your head, looking at data in mutations, you fail to take a moment to zoom out and see the bigger picture, where evolution predictions fail miserably.
Ask Darwinoid scientists to explain something as simple as the evolution of the hollow fangs of venomous snakes, for example, and they're lost for a sensible response.
Ask them to explain how evolution produced the connection between said hollow fangs
and the snake's venom glands ... again, no sensible response. Yet these scientists claim to "know' how evolution works. They're such bs-artists and con-men.

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Dredge
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Message 836 of 1197 (907116)
02-19-2023 7:09 AM
Reply to: Message 787 by sensei
02-16-2023 9:05 PM


Re: Typical?
Atheists (and most of the scientific community) attribute magical powers to mindless molecules ... lifeless mud turned in human beings!! Wow!!!
Pure superstition .... masquerading as science.

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Dredge
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Message 837 of 1197 (907118)
02-19-2023 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 831 by AZPaul3
02-18-2023 8:20 PM


Re: Typical?
APauling666 writes:
Bad Altar Boy
FYI, I was never an altar boy. When I was ten, I applied to become one ... but when the "recruiting" nun asked me if I was willing to get up at 6am to serve at the early Mass, I said "No". That put an end to my altar-boy aspirations.

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Dredge
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Message 839 of 1197 (907161)
02-19-2023 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 838 by sensei
02-19-2023 11:17 AM


Re: Typical?
Exactly. Translated it means "We don't know"

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Dredge
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Message 841 of 1197 (907174)
02-19-2023 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 840 by AZPaul3
02-19-2023 1:42 PM


You don't know how even ONE alleged evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened. Therefore you Darwinoid bs-artists can't claim to know how evolution works.
You can't con all the people all the time.
Why is your pagan cult so pathetically dishonest?

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Dredge
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From: Australia
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Message 846 of 1197 (907208)
02-20-2023 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 844 by AZPaul3
02-19-2023 3:30 PM


Dredge writes:
You don't know how even ONE alleged evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record happened.
APauling666 writes:
Sure we do
You can't prove that any of your theories viz-a-viz evolution in the fossil record are the truth, therefore you can't claim to know the truth.
Don't you ever get sick of telling lies?

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