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ringo
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Message 70 of 1197 (891472)
01-31-2022 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2022 9:12 PM


Re: How to tell?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
... let us solve the problem between manufactured to non-manufactured. If I cannot explain, I support Evolution and you. I you cannot, you support me,
False dichotomy --> non sequitur.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 126 of 1197 (891791)
02-11-2022 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-10-2022 7:41 PM


Re: What do the Reviews of MrID's Book Say?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
I am a very strong critic of Evolution....
You're confusing "strong" with "loud". Your "arguments" are somewhere between weak and non-existent. A loud "critic", like you, just yells, "No! No! No!" without ever explaining why not. That isn't even real criticism.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 224 of 1197 (892154)
02-28-2022 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by MrIntelligentDesign
02-11-2022 7:49 PM


Re: What do the Reviews of MrID's Book Say?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Just wait for my science article to be summitted to science journal.
Yes, we're waiting for that to happen. Why has that not happened?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 247 of 1197 (892796)
03-14-2022 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by MrIntelligentDesign
03-13-2022 1:23 PM


Re: What do the Reviews of MrID's Book Say?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
I did submit but they did not get it.
You said, in Message 128, "Just wait for my science article to be summitted to science journal."
Why should I wait for something that you already did? Get your story straight.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 260 of 1197 (892828)
03-15-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by MrIntelligentDesign
03-15-2022 3:55 AM


Re: What do the Reviews of MrID's Book Say?
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
I am not an ordinary scientist, I discovered intelligence and non-intelligence!
You've certainly demonstrated non-intelligence but it dates back to pond-scum, so you couldn't have invented it. Did you invent arrogance too?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 310 of 1197 (893140)
03-28-2022 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by AZPaul3
03-28-2022 9:14 AM


Re: Bump for Mr.ID
AZPaul3 writes:
What is IDv2’s first move?
Changing the subject.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 376 of 1197 (893690)
04-18-2022 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 367 by MrIntelligentDesign
04-18-2022 2:03 AM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
You must first define "intelligence"...
Let's start out very simple: "Intelligence is the ability to learn."
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
... and why you use that definition in Biology.
Let's just use the same definition everywhere.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Support that definition with experiment...
It's supported by observation. Chimps use twigs to fish for ants and termites. They learn that stripping the leaves off makes a more efficient tool.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
... and it is so easy to follow.
Are you following so far?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 394 of 1197 (893736)
04-19-2022 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 384 by MrIntelligentDesign
04-18-2022 11:28 PM


MrIntelligentDesign writes:
OK, do you really accept that your definition of intelligence is universal and correct?
I didn't say it was either universal or correct. I suggested it as a starting point.
MrIntelligentDesign writes:
Let us test that, answer these questions from your definition of intelligence.
Is biological cell intelligently designed or not?
You're jumping way too far ahead. We can't discuss whether or not something "is" intelligently designed until we can agree on what "intelligence" and "design" mean.
If you don't like my definition, suggest improvements.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 453 of 1197 (894267)
05-09-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 447 by WookieeB
05-08-2022 5:54 PM


WookieB writes:
The universe had a beginning. Most scientists today agree with that. As such, space, time and matter/energy all had a beginning.
There's a difference between "a" beginning and "the" beginning. There might have been many beginnings.
WookieB writes:
So the reasoning is that whatever creates the universe would be, among other things, spaceless, timeless and immaterial.
I don't see how that follows. Your logic seems to be: Premise 1, Premise 2, therefore God.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 477 of 1197 (899211)
10-10-2022 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 476 by Dredge
10-10-2022 6:54 AM


Re: Reply to WookieeB (what's wrong with Old ID)
Dredge writes:
... as opposed to the Darwinist version:
Get out of the nineteenth century.
Dredge writes:
"We don't know, therefore billions of years done it."
The scientific version is, "We don't know, so let's find out." Science looks at reality to find answers to questions and solutions to problems.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 479 of 1197 (899231)
10-10-2022 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by Dredge
10-10-2022 6:20 PM


Re: Reply to WookieeB (what's wrong with Old ID)
Dredge writes:
Some things will be forever unknowable...
But you don't know what those things are.
Dredge writes:
... such as the process that produced the profound changes in life-forms evident in the fossil record ...
We already DO know a lot about that.
Dredge writes:
... in which case, your "We don't know, so let's find out" motto doesn't apply.
Of course it does. How do we know WHAT (if anything) is "unknowable" if we don't look?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 486 of 1197 (901301)
11-08-2022 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 481 by Dredge
11-08-2022 7:25 AM


Dredge writes:
For example, no Darwinist has ever offered me a sensible explanation for how venomous snakes evolved.
No IDist has ever offered a sensible explanation for WHY a Designer would design poisonous snakes. Or parasitic worms.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 487 of 1197 (901302)
11-08-2022 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 485 by Dredge
11-08-2022 10:19 AM


Dredge writes:
Darwinists don't have to explain anything - they just make up stories. Whoever comes up with the best story, wins.
The story that best fits the evidence wins. And isn't it funny that scientists from every religion agree on what the best story is?
Dredge writes:
It's not my fault that the theory of evolution is a simplistic nineteenth century idea ....
You're the one who's stuck in the nineteenth century. Read something up-to-date.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 492 of 1197 (901420)
11-09-2022 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by Dredge
11-08-2022 3:57 PM


Dredge writes:
... it's actually quite sad that otherwise intelligent people accept a scientific theory as dubious as ToE.
Isn't it funny that those "otherwise intelligent people" can cure diseases, get us to the moon and back, etc.? Why does it take an idiot like you to understand that the ToE is wrong?

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 493 of 1197 (901421)
11-09-2022 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by Dredge
11-09-2022 2:12 PM


]qs=Dredge]Well, until their research provides a sensible explanation of how venomous snakes evolved...[/qs] They have.
Dredge writes:
... I will continue to consider ToE to be inadequate.
Nobody cares what you think.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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